Origin of God's Morality.

[Davian]

No, here is what you really said:

Wanna go back and try to wiggle out of your "dishonesty" (being polite in using this term) or do you just want to continue to be "dishonest" (polite word again).

You will need to first point out how those two quotes differ in meaning and intent.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You will need to first point out how those two quotes differ in meaning and intent.

So busted.....the dishonesty must be a heavy load to carry......then again, maybe not so much....

 

[civilwarbuff]

You will need to first point out how those two quotes differ in meaning and intent.

Actually, I don't....anyone reading it will see the dishonesty of your 2 very different quotes...

 

[Davian]

Actually, I don't....anyone reading it will see the dishonesty of your 2 very different quotes...

Or, they won't. Now what?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Your problem, not mine.....

 

[Davian]

Your problem, not mine.....

Not much of a problem then, and certainly nothing like trying to defend a morally bankrupt theology.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I answered your question @Root of Jesse. So are you going to present your case or not?

 

[DogmaHunter]

It seems to me that you place value in reasoning correctly.

Am I right?

You don't?

The reason I'm asking is because you made mention several times of fallacies. You pointed out what you thought were fallacies or errors in reasoning.

His statement read like a definition of the argument from ignorance, yes.

Errors in reasoning can only exist if there is a right way to reason, right?

Ok.

My question for you is, why do you think that whatever it is you consider to be "right reason" is right?

The evidence of how succesfull the "right way" is.
And, you know.... logic.

Do you disagree? Do you think arguments from ignorance are a good way to argue? Do you think they lead to reasonable arguments and conclusions?

 

[Root of Jesse]

If you don't know the answer, then the only intellectually honest thing to do would be to admit that you don't know, not to claim that you've figured it out.

In that case, I'm very intellectually honest. I humble myself, and leave it to God.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

In that case, I'm very intellectually honest. I humble myself, and leave it to God.

Then why did you pretend to have figured it out?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Can you honestly manufacture a sincere belief in unicorns at will?

Me? No. But I'm sure there are people who have a sincere belief in unicorns.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I answered your question @Root of Jesse. So are you going to present your case or not?

I didn't see an answer, sorry. What determines right and wrong in people?
I wonder if you think people have all the time in the world to deal with you and your evasiveness? I'm not on the internet day and night. I will answer you when I get to you.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Then why did you pretend to have figured it out?

I believe that is the very definition of figuring it out.

 

[Root of Jesse]

It does, if you care about living in a functional society where you can maximise your well-being and the well-being of those you care about.

If you don't care about well-being, you're probably not going to care about morality either.

Why should you care about the well-being of those around you? Honestly, most of the world today is in a state of "What's in it for me?", at least most of the Western World. The very reasons for single parent homes, sex without commitment, abortion, and many other things is just that-much of the western world is in a state of "What's in it for me?" regardless of how it might hurt someone else.
I agree with you-caring for the well-being of others is important. But WHY?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Errr... Actually, this is just about rational discourse. Argument from ignorance is a logical fallacy. Maybe you just don't care about being rational in your thought process and / or argumentation?

I don't have any "argument from ignorance". That's a category, like I was referring to.

If someone points out a fallacy in my reasoning, I thank them.

Which you haven't done, in my case. Maybe in your own mind...

There's not much to know about it... I mean, you were pretty clear in that post....
You literally suggested to inject god in places where ignorance reigns.

I think you need to learn to read for comprehension. That's not what I said.

Errrrrr.... okay.
Reality doesn't care about my metaphorical heart though. "metaphorical", because my physical heart is just a blood pump, off course. It's my brain that does the thinking and emotion generation.



"know-it-all"? Because I point out a blatant logical fallacy?

Owkay then.

ps: emotional appeal is a fallacy too. ;-)

Faith takes humility, which you obviously have none of. You do think you got it all figured out, but you don't.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Off course.

So the society where they left people to die if they couldn't fend for themselves, and spent their time conquering the next piece of land, regardless of what the people that inhabited the land wanted...that was a 'cooperative society'...hmmm

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Me? No. But I'm sure there are people who have a sincere belief in unicorns.

Okay, so you concede the point, finally.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I believe that is the very definition of figuring it out.

Pretending is the very definition of figuring it out?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Dude...... that's literally a god-of-the-gaps argument. Literally.

How about this, for a change: "...when you get to a point where there is no known cause... you say I don't know." and leave it at that?

But we Christians do not leave it at that. Exactly my point.

ps: everything known today was unkown at some point....

The cause of desease.
The cause of lightning.
The cause of tides.
The cause of volcano eruptions.
The cause of storms.
...

So?

And the only reason why these things are today known, is because scientists of the past took no satisfaction with the non-answer of "god(s)-dun-it".

To use your phrase...DUDE...you do realize that a great many of the scientists that discovered the stuff we know today were Christian? But the fact is that the very existence of everything requires a cause.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I don't have any "argument from ignorance".

Yes you do. You presented a textbook-worthy example of an argument from ignorance.

Faith takes humility, which you obviously have none of. You do think you got it all figured out, but you don't.

Are you going for irony? You literally pretended to know the answer to one of the most enduring mysteries of all. Yet you're the humble one? Oh please...