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Both Saturday and Sunday Sabbath are Wrong

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The Jews did - and still do - use the same 7 day cycle that we do.

All Christians who look for the first day of the week - as sunday are admitting that the seventh day of the week is still Saturday just as all Jews also admit.

And there is zero Bible support for changing the 7th day of the week to some other day - based on the lunar cycle.
Hebrews 13:8.

There is a teaching out there and I can't recall the site I found some years ago that alluded to this, that teaches using the Genesis account of God's creating everything in six days, that if you work six days, as God did, then that seventh day is your Sabbath. (Sabbath = rest).
If I work Tuesday through Saturday, Sunday would be Sabbath. If I work Thursday through for six days, then the next Wednesday would be my Sabbath.
This is an interesting read in my opinion. You may enjoy it too.
Why We Have a Seven Day Week and the Origin of the Names of the Days of the Week
 
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Hebrews 13:8.

There is a teaching out there and I can't recall the site I found some years ago that alluded to this, that teaches using the Genesis account of God's creating everything in six days, that if you work six days, as God did, then that seventh day is your Sabbath. (Sabbath = rest).
If I work Tuesday through Saturday, Sunday would be Sabbath. If I work Thursday through for six days, then the next Wednesday would be my Sabbath.
This is an interesting read in my opinion. You may enjoy it too.
Why We Have a Seven Day Week and the Origin of the Names of the Days of the Week

I think Andy Stanley and R.C. Sproul both have an idea that it is 'one day in 7" though I think they both would admit that it is the 7th day - Saturday in the O.T.

As for that last link -- Nice!

Here is something you might like.

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http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tool...ath-rest/names-for-saturday-in-many-languages

There is widespread use of forms of the word Sabbath for the seventh day of the week in many languages and cultures.

There is no known language where we see “Sabbath” similarly linked with Sunday, the first day of the week.

So then - a few examples.

Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota
 
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Feasts are based on the yearlong cycle, not the weekly cycle.

Indeed they happen on a certain day or certain days -- and are not constantly going on all year long - they are on an annual cycle.
 
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I looked on the Israeli New Moon Society web site; from what I could tell there isn't a question about which day the Sabbath falls on. What has been being followed is the sighting for the new moon to know when the Sabbath Feast Days occur.

True. The annual Sabbaths of Lev 23 do start based on the start of a given month (usually first month or seventh month in the case of the Lev 23 annual Sabbath feasts).
 
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I was just about to sign off when I saw your alert for this post. Thank you very much for that link. I'll study it more carefully tomorrow.
May God grant you and all here peaceful rest. :sweetdream:

Till tomorrow, God willing.

I think Andy Stanley and R.C. Sproul both have an idea that it is 'one day in 7" though I think they both would admit that it is the 7th day - Saturday in the O.T.

As for that last link -- Nice!

Here is something you might like.

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http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tool...ath-rest/names-for-saturday-in-many-languages

There is widespread use of forms of the word Sabbath for the seventh day of the week in many languages and cultures.

There is no known language where we see “Sabbath” similarly linked with Sunday, the first day of the week.

So then - a few examples.

Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota
 
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Too many variables have occurred since creation, for anyone but YHVH ( Yeshua) to know for certain.

Please forgive me, I only went to English 102 in college and never did well on source siting. However, I love theological debate.

Here is the link to the only source I sited: https://sites.google.com/site/moonsoc/sanhedrin

I just linked the site, there was no direct quote.

Nice going. Welcome to the discussion.

While it is true that nobody has a video or a calendar going back to the birth of Adam - we can make some "safe assumptions".

1. Exodus 16 God says "Tomorrow is the Sabbath", Ex 20:8-11 God says to remember it. God was raining down manna on Israel for 6 days of the week and not on SABBATH -- for 40 years! We can "assume" that God's memory, His calendar did go back to Adam's Birthday - even if we could not see it.

2. Jesus kept the Sabbath according to Luke 4 and we do know hat day was Sabbath as kept by Jews under the Roman Empire - we assume that Jesus as God - would know if there was a problem that needed to be corrected as to which day was the real God-ordained Sabbath.

With those two assumptions - both of which rely on God "letting us know" if there is problem while He is at the task of literally talking to us about the subject. I think He is a trustworthy source in that regard. :)

in Christ,

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Why do so many have a problem and a science of figuring out when the 7th day of the week is, but can figure out the first day of the week in their sleep.

This is a very good point. When someone says "I am going to church on Sunday because Christ was raised on the first day of the week" -- they almost never run into the "nooooo wait a minute!!! nobody knows which day is the first day of the week".

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I think Andy Stanley and R.C. Sproul both have an idea that it is 'one day in 7" though I think they both would admit that it is the 7th day - Saturday in the O.T.

As for that last link -- Nice!

Here is something you might like.

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http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tool...ath-rest/names-for-saturday-in-many-languages

There is widespread use of forms of the word Sabbath for the seventh day of the week in many languages and cultures.

There is no known language where we see “Sabbath” similarly linked with Sunday, the first day of the week.

So then - a few examples.

Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota
Sure thing. I agree that our Saturday is the 7th day Sabbath. But that's as far as I can agree with you.

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Why do so many have a problem and a science of figuring out when the 7th day of the week is, but can figure out the first day of the week in their sleep.........................
I view Monday as the 1st day of the week, since I used to rest on both Saturday and Sunday.
Now that I am retired, I generally don't even know what day of the week it is so everyday is a rest for me.

I can wake up on a Tuesday and think it is Saturday......woe is me!

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=48452621#post48452621
Is Sunday worship the mark of the beast?

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus

Hebrews 4:3

For we are entering into the Rest/katapausin <2663>, the ones-believing.
According to as He declared, 'As I have sware in My wrath, if they shall be entering into the Rest/katapausin <2663> of Me' and-those the works from down-casting of world being become.
[Psalm 95:11]

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.

And not they are having Rest/anapausin <372> day and night....
[Matt 11:29/Hebrew 4:3]

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I view Monday as the 1st day of the week, since I used to rest on both Saturday and Sunday.
Now that I am retired, I generally don't even know what day of the week it is so everyday is a rest for me.

I can wake up on a Tuesday and think it is Saturday......woe is me!

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=48452621#post48452621
Is Sunday worship the mark of the beast?

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus

Hebrews 4:3

For we are entering into the Rest/katapausin <2663>, the ones-believing.
According to as He declared, 'As I have sware in My wrath, if they shall be entering into the Rest/katapausin <2663> of Me' and-those the works from down-casting of world being become.
[Psalm 95:11]

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.

And not they are having Rest/anapausin <372> day and night....
[Matt 11:29/Hebrew 4:3]

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Yeah if it wasn't for all this electronic clock stuff I' wouldn't know which days it was for sure. Retirement is fun, you don't have to remember which day it is.

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Hebrews 13:8..........................
If I work Tuesday through Saturday, Sunday would be Sabbath. If I work Thursday through for six days, then the next Wednesday would be my Sabbath.

This is an interesting read in my opinion. You may enjoy it too.
Why We Have a Seven Day Week and the Origin of the Names of the Days of the Week

....................................Sunday is “Sun’s day”, translated in both Latin (“dies solis”) and Greek (“hemera helio”) as “day of the sun”. Interestingly, in Spanish and French (“domingo” and “dimanche”) it is more closely translated as “Lord’s day” or “Sabbath day”, pointing to more the Christian/Jewish God............
Well that is indeed interesting. Sunday being associated with the Lord's say, both of which are mentioned in the Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation.

I believe the Sun in Rev is symbolic of a City being put to the torch, such as OC Jerusalem in AD70, IMHO...

Rev 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,

Rev 16:
8 Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and power was given to him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues;
and they did not repent and give Him glory.


http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

.................The flames which enveloped the Temple were so violent and impetuous, that the lofty hill. on which it stood appeared, even front its deep foundations, as one large body of fire.
The blood of the sufferers flowed in proportion to the rage of this de structive element ; and the number of the slain exceeded all calculation. The ground could not be seen for the dead bodies, over which the Romans trampled in pursuit of the fugitives ; while the crackling noise of the devouring flames mingled with the clamor of arms, the groans of the dying and the shrieks of despair, augmented the tremendous horror of a scene, to which the pages of history can furnish no parallel.

They ranged through the streets with drawn swords in their hands, murdering every Jew whom they met, without distinction ; till at length, the bodies of the dead choked up all the alleys and narrow passes while their blood literally flowed down the channels of the city in streams.
As it drew towards evening, the soldiers exchanged the sword for the torch, and, amidst the darkness of this awful night, set fire to the remaining divisions of the place.
The vial of divine wrath, which had been so long pouring out upon this devoted city was now emptying, and JERUSALEM, once "a praise in all the earth," and the subject of a thousand prophecies, deprived of' the staff of life, wrapt in flames, and bleeding on every side sunk into utter ruin and desolation...........................


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The Sabbath and the New Covenant:

The Sabbath is one of those issues that has divided the Body of Christ for hundreds of years. We will attempt here to examine the text in an effort to understand the Sabbath in view of the New Covenant established by Christ at Calvary.

The key to understanding this issue is to ask when the Old Testament Sabbath was established and why it was established. It would be helpful to remember that God established a calendar based on 7 days and 7 years since creation.

Now let us look at the Sabbath given under the Old Covenant at Mount Sinai to the children of Israel.

Exo 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

We must remember what we find in the Book of Hebrews. The children of Israel broke the Sinai covenant and the New Covenant has made the Sinai covenant obsolete.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Some insist the Sabbath must still be observed sundown Friday to sundown on Saturday. Others say it has been changed to Sunday. We would all be better served if we used the New Testament writers as our guide to the truth, instead of using the Old Testament Sinai covenant as our guide.

Many in the pulpit continue to thunder the fourth commandment. However, they should consider the Apostle Paul’s words in Galatians chapter 4, describing the Sinai covenant in comparison to Hagar the bondwoman.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

If you do not agree with the text above, you will have to take it up with the Apostle Paul, when you see him. Paul is trying to tell us to let go of the Sinai covenant of bondage and embrace the New Covenant of Christ instead. Some have attempted to claim this text is referring only to the “Oral Law”. However, Paul’s use of the word “covenant” in the passage, totally eliminates this line of logic.

We must also remember the Sabbath was given to the children of Israel as a “Sign” of the Sinai Covenant. Therefore, we must now ask what happens to the sign of a covenant that has been broken (Jeremiah 31:32) and that we are to cast out? The logical answer may not agree with what many of us have been taught our whole lives. Do we rely on tradition or do we rely on the words of the New Testament writers, like Paul? Some have said the only thing more powerful than scripture and history is tradition. Sabbath observance most certainly proves this to be the case.

Some will say the Sabbath was changed from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday to anytime Sunday. There is just one small problem. There is no scripture to support this claim. However, we can find in history an edict issued by a man that attempts to do this. We do find that the early Church did meet on the Lord’s Day within the text of the New Testament. We also find the resurrected Savior appearing to the Apostles on the Lord‘s day. However, there is no clear instruction indicating only this day is suitable for assembly of Christians.

There is no doubt a day of rest and worship is beneficial to the body and the Body. However, there is no text saying it could not be held on another day of the week. We find no clear commandment after the day of Pentecost on Sabbath observance for Christians.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Here Paul makes it clear we are not under the Sinai Covenant. All sorts of scriptural gymnastics have been used by those who cannot let go of it.

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

These things were merely a shadow of something much greater and that is Christ.

He is the Lord of the Sabbath.

He is our Sabbath Rest.

My wife and I attend services with our church body on Sunday and also attend a Wednesday night Bible study, which meets in the homes of participants. We consider both of these days of worship.

If the Apostles met on the Lord's Day for worship and Christ met with them on the same day after His resurrection, then it should be clear that this day is suitable for us also.

1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

If you are in the New Covenant, every day is the Sabbath, because the Lord of the Sabbath lives inside of you.

Praise God and His Son Jesus Christ!

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You know where the hypocrisy comes from? When people argue the Sabbath Saturday is no longer valid.....but they go to church on Sunday.

Jesus never altered Sabbath , the seventh day of the week, unto the first day.

Knocking our heads against unbelievers isn't going to solve anything but it will stand to make aspirin companies richer. Let those that teach against God's word find out their fate when they're passed away and stand before God to explain their hubris and ungodly efforts. POE's do not fool the King of Heaven. While Satan is bursting with pride that they'd work so diligently to do his work for him. Like arguing the ten commandments no longer apply.

That's Satan's teaching.
Thou shalt have other god's before God.
Thou shalt make for the graven images.
Thou shalt take the Lord thy God's name in vain
*This is what you're encountering in this thread in particular* Thou shalt not remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy
Thou shalt not honor thy parents (Think of the kids that demonstrate that one today. Very effective Satanic teaching there)
Thou shalt kill
Thou shalt commit adultery (that Satanic teaching explains the broken homes today)
Thou shalt steal
Thou shalt bear false witness (Pray you never have a Satanic disciple slated to testify about you in a court of law)
Thou shalt covet

That should put the false teachings into perspective. Jesus came to save the world from those sins and more. Jesus reiterated the ten commandments. He accomplished his mission on the cross. Does that mean morality no longer applies?
Yes! Yes! Yes!

Just read page after page and you'll see those who say exactly that! Over , and over, and over and over.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Of course he is! He was the same God that decreed it to exist in the beginning! Before there was any tribe of Jews, before there were any Gentiles. Rest, honor God.

Take into account those who tell you not to do that anymore.
 
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You know where the hypocrisy comes from? When people argue the Sabbath Saturday is no longer valid.....but they go to church on Sunday.

Jesus never altered Sabbath , the seventh day of the week, unto the first day.
The Church did, the Church established by Christ himself.
 
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That should put the false teachings into perspective. Jesus came to save the world from those sins and more. Jesus reiterated the ten commandments. He accomplished his mission on the cross. Does that mean morality no longer applies?

New Covenant Law:

In the New Covenant, it is the Holy Spirit who lives inside of us and constantly corrects us in our daily battle with sin. Therefore, God’s Law is written inside of us.

Some who oppose the New Covenant teaching claim it is promoting “antinomianism”, or lawlessness. They think those who say we are no longer under the Sinai covenant are promoting murder, adultery, etc.

However, nothing could be further from the truth. We are under a higher law, “The Law of Christ”.

In Matthew chapter 5 we find Christ giving an example of this concept.

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Under the Sinai covenant the union of an unmarried man and woman was the sin.

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

However, the words of Christ above clearly show that lusting after a woman is a sin.

This is an excellent example of the “Law of Christ” as a higher law. We have a better mediator than Moses, and a better law than the Sinai covenant.

We also know murder was a sin, when Cain killed his brother Able, long before the commandments were written on stone at Mount Sinai.

When Jesus was asked which commandment was the greatest, he spoke the following words:

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

There is no doubt any believer who follows the instructions given above could never be considered “lawless”.

Some attempt to hang onto the Sinai covenant by dividing it into the 10 commandments, which they label as “The Moral Law” and the 600 or so other laws recorded by Moses as the “Ceremonial Law”. Some also say laws were given that were never written down and are referred to as “The Oral Law”. They say it was only the “Ceremonial” or “Oral” law that was done away with in the New Covenant. The problem is we cannot find this division in the scripture. As a matter of fact, we find just the opposite written in the Book of Hebrews.

Heb_9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

We find the same concept spelled out for us in the Old Testament.

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The Sinai covenant is described as the words written on the tables of stone, which we refer to as the 10 commandments. This thwarts any attempts at division.

We find below in the New Testament the tables of the New Covenant.
2Co_3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

The disciple Jesus loved gives us commandments of Christ in a letter found near the end of the New Testament.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


In Galatians chapter 4 the Apostle Paul compares the Sinai covenant to bondage and says we are to cast it out.
How much clearer could it be?


I once heard a Sunday School teacher make the following statement.
“We are not under the Law.”

Without further clarification the quote above could be quite confusing.

Are we under the Sinai covenant Law? No.

Are we under the Law of Christ? Yes.

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New Covenant Law:

In the New Covenant, it is the Holy Spirit who lives inside of us and constantly corrects us in our daily battle with sin. Therefore, God’s Law is written inside of us.
Let's go with that.
Do you have any other god's before God?
Do you create any graven images that you hold in esteem and worship?
Do you take the Lord's name in vain?
Do you go to church?
Do you honor your parents?
Do you commit murder?
Do you commit adultery if you're married?
Do you steal?
Do you lie?
Do you covet?
 
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This may be helpful to this discussion. :)
Ask Pastor Mike – Legalism - 4/29/2016 = Audio sermon Link
God’s Word is clear—there is nothing we can to do to earn, buy or borrow God’s forgiveness. But does that mean it doesn’t matter how we live now? We’ll discuss that question with Mike Fabarez and look at Scripture’s patterns for obedience in light of God’s grace. It’s on this edition of “Ask Pastor Mike.”

I'm going to share this in the other threads I've participated in wherein the issue of the moral laws of God and the Sabbath are contested. I hope this audio sermon helps those who seek deeper answers. At least that is my prayer.
 
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You know where the hypocrisy comes from? When people argue the Sabbath Saturday is no longer valid.....but they go to church on Sunday.

Jesus never altered Sabbath , the seventh day of the week, unto the first day.

Knocking our heads against unbelievers isn't going to solve anything but it will stand to make aspirin companies richer. Let those that teach against God's word find out their fate when they're passed away and stand before God to explain their hubris and ungodly efforts. POE's do not fool the King of Heaven. While Satan is bursting with pride that they'd work so diligently to do his work for him. Like arguing the ten commandments no longer apply.

That's Satan's teaching.
Thou shalt have other god's before God.
Thou shalt make for the graven images.
Thou shalt take the Lord thy God's name in vain
*This is what you're encountering in this thread in particular* Thou shalt not remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy
Thou shalt not honor thy parents (Think of the kids that demonstrate that one today. Very effective Satanic teaching there)
Thou shalt kill
Thou shalt commit adultery (that Satanic teaching explains the broken homes today)
Thou shalt steal
Thou shalt bear false witness (Pray you never have a Satanic disciple slated to testify about you in a court of law)
Thou shalt covet

That should put the false teachings into perspective. Jesus came to save the world from those sins and more. Jesus reiterated the ten commandments. He accomplished his mission on the cross. Does that mean morality no longer applies?
Yes! Yes! Yes!

Just read page after page and you'll see those who say exactly that! Over , and over, and over and over.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Of course he is! He was the same God that decreed it to exist in the beginning! Before there was any tribe of Jews, before there were any Gentiles. Rest, honor God.

Take into account those who tell you not to do that anymore.
Sorry to inform you the OC has been fulfilled by Jesus meeting the full requirements there of and replaced with a new and different covenant. We then must deal with sin as many here try to inform us that not murdering is obedience to the law, on and on. There's no such thing as obedience by coincidence. If you love your neighbor as yourself you'll not commit murder. Thus the covenant of law requirements are met while not adhering to them. Jesus is our Sabbath rest which those of the OC didn't have or Jesus wouldn't have offered it to them. Mat 11:28-30.

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You know where the hypocrisy comes from? When people argue the Sabbath Saturday is no longer valid.....but they go to church on Sunday.

Jesus never altered Sabbath , the seventh day of the week, unto the first day.

Knocking our heads against unbelievers isn't going to solve anything but it will stand to make aspirin companies richer. Let those that teach against God's word find out their fate when they're passed away and stand before God to explain their hubris and ungodly efforts. POE's do not fool the King of Heaven. While Satan is bursting with pride that they'd work so diligently to do his work for him. Like arguing the ten commandments no longer apply.

That's Satan's teaching.
Thou shalt have other god's before God.
Thou shalt make for the graven images.
Thou shalt take the Lord thy God's name in vain
*This is what you're encountering in this thread in particular* Thou shalt not remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy
Thou shalt not honor thy parents (Think of the kids that demonstrate that one today. Very effective Satanic teaching there)
Thou shalt kill
Thou shalt commit adultery (that Satanic teaching explains the broken homes today)
Thou shalt steal
Thou shalt bear false witness (Pray you never have a Satanic disciple slated to testify about you in a court of law)
Thou shalt covet

That should put the false teachings into perspective. Jesus came to save the world from those sins and more. Jesus reiterated the ten commandments. He accomplished his mission on the cross. Does that mean morality no longer applies?
Yes! Yes! Yes!

Just read page after page and you'll see those who say exactly that! Over , and over, and over and over.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Of course he is! He was the same God that decreed it to exist in the beginning! Before there was any tribe of Jews, before there were any Gentiles. Rest, honor God.

Take into account those who tell you not to do that anymore.
The hypocrisy comes from those who claim to observe the 4th commandment when in fact they don't as has been amply shown by a few people here on this forum. Romans says they cause the name of God to be blasphemed.

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