God's 7000 year Plan

[miamited]

Thanks Ted, at least you have made an effort to comprehend the truths of God's Plan. Not like others here who either try to push their own theory or attempt to subvert and discredit it.
Re the Jewish calendar: if you google search it, you will find that they missed out the reigning periods of some kings, about a 200 year error.
A 13+ year time from now until Jesus Returns, does allow enough time for all that is prophesied to happen before that Day. Must be very close now! I do believe God will act on His appointed Days. I see the Day of Tabernacles [God with us] as the Return of Jesus. Before Tabernacles comes The Day of Trumpets and Atonement.

Hi keras,

Yes, I've read the information regarding the possible errors in the Jewish calendar. The problem I have with that is that the Jews didn't start their calendar last week. The truth may actually be, and I'm not saying that it necessarily is, but it may be that we haven't correctly calculated the reigns of the kings in question. Of course some sites offer different explanations for the 'error' in the Jewish calendar. This site for example: https://nicklasarthur.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/jewish-calendar-date-error/ -- allows that the error 'could be' the starting point of Daniels 490 year (70 weeks) prophecy. However, if you read through the article it also allows that there could be other explanations for a possible 'error'.

This site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_years_(Jewish_calendar) -- allows that there is some discrepancy in the dating of the destruction of the Jewish temple. I take great note in the explanation saying that the Jews count it as a certain year, but 'modern secular' scholars attribute it to another year. I'm not to keen on accepting what 'modern secular' scholars have to say about the things of God. It also covers some of the other possible 'errors'.

Yes, you are correct that all the events I find prophesied to come to pass before the return of Jesus could happen in 13 years and I'll just have to wait and see on that. I'm also very well aware that a lot of dating for long past historical events is a difficult task for scholars today on many, many historical accounts. This is why we have developed the use of the word 'circa'. It means that we can't be absolutely sure of a particular date, but it would likely have been around the given year. Many, many, many of our long past historical records are difficult, at best, to date precisely.

So for now, I'm going to stick with the Jewish calendar, but if I see the things that Jesus spoke of as being the signs of the end, then I will be happy to adjust my calculations. However, no matter when it happens, I believe I'm ready. I absolutely believe God and His word and the testimony of His Son. It's just that I don't find that the Scriptures are particularly clear on this point. Jesus, however, gave us a testimony of signs to be looking for and not dates to calculate.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[keras]

So for now, I'm going to stick with the Jewish calendar, but if I see the things that Jesus spoke of as being the signs of the end, then I will be happy to adjust my calculations. However, no matter when it happens, I believe I'm ready. I absolutely believe God and His word and the testimony of His Son. It's just that I don't find that the Scriptures are particularly clear on this point.

The Bible is clear. The time periods given are in the Word of God. Others have done the addition before, but because they were not yet in the last days, they failed to get it right. Daniel 12:9
Read the OP again, check the verses quoted; it all adds perfectly, is that not proof of God's Plan?
Believe the Jewish calendar, why? Read Jeremiah 8:8
Jesus DID prophesy about the 2000 year gap; Luke 13:32 is a prophecy, He will work for two 'days', then come into His reward. His 'sign of the fig tree' came to pass in 1948.

But yes, we must be ready and not be in the dark about what will happen.

 

[miamited]

Hi keras,

Yes, as I've said, I've run the numbers before. I'm just not as convicted as you that when Jesus said what he said to his disciples concerning 'that old fox', that he was intending to convey to us that he will work for two more centuries and then the end will come. As far as I am aware, Jesus has already been perfected upon the cross. Jesus' words don't say that 'all things' will be perfected on the third day, but rather that 'he' will be perfected on the third day - and so he was. When Jesus was raised from the dead, God's testimony of what He would do for those who were faithful to Him was made perfectly clear to us through our seeing Jesus alive.

So, the possibility has some merit and I've often considered that the week of millenniums may well be the plan that God has for this realm of His creating, but...

Yes, I am absolutely in agreement that we can't trust 'everything' that has been handed down to us through Judaism. After all, they generally don't agree that Jesus is the promised Mashiach and yet Christians are absolutely sure that he is and the Scriptures seem to clearly hold to this teaching. We find countless rebukes from God throughout the Scriptures of the Jews, as a whole people, of faithlessness rather than faithfulness. However, one theme that has been fairly consistent throughout Judaism is the belief that God created this realm in six days at a fixed point in time as explained in the Scriptures. So, for me, there are some things that they have gotten right, too. Yes, I am aware that as time has progressed there are some offshoot ideas within Judaism that try to resolve the Scripture's explanation of the creation event with our modern scientific ideas about the creation event. But, as a whole, and certainly up until Jesus' days upon the earth, Judaism taught that the creation account as given in the book of the beginnings was correctly and simply just as the Scriptures said it was.

Judaism, like pretty much every religion, as time passes and days add upon days, begins to entertain 'new and improved' ideas. This is why today we have several sects of Islam. Several denominations of Christianity. Several forms of Hinduism, etc. But, there is a 'truth'. Our job is to discern that 'truth' among all of the various and sundry ideas proposed by men. For me, it always begins with the Scriptures in regards to the things of God and the things that God has done and said. When I consider what true worship should be, I don't put much stock in what men considered and did as true worship in the 10th century or the 5th century or the 15th century. I am assured that by then many errors had been adopted and crept into the understanding of true worship. I want to know how Paul worshiped. How Peter and John and the first disciples of the first century worshiped. I think it clear throughout the Scriptures, that as time passes men move further away from the truth rather than nearer or even maintaining the truth.

I'm simply not so bold as to think that I, or any of those who have counted out the years, is as precise as you seem to think your accounting is. We will see.

You wrote: Read the OP again, check the verses quoted; it all adds perfectly, is that not proof of God's Plan? No! What it proves is that our accounting of the years from the creation event is likely within the ballpark of 5700 to 6,000 years. But nothing in your Scripture references clearly defines the idea that at the 6,000 year mark, Jesus will return.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[keras]

Yes, as I've said, I've run the numbers before. I'm just not as convicted as you that when Jesus said what he said to his disciples concerning 'that old fox', that he was intending to convey to us that he will work for two more centuries and then the end will come. As far as I am aware, Jesus has already been perfected upon the cross. Jesus' words don't say that 'all things' will be perfected on the third day, but rather that 'he' will be perfected on the third day - and so he was. When Jesus was raised from the dead, God's testimony of what He would do for those who were faithful to Him was made perfectly clear to us through our seeing Jesus alive.

Typically, we have a translation difference. Your KJV says: I shall be perfected. The NIV, CJB and the REB says: I will reach My goal. We know from many prophesies that Jesus will Return in glory for His Millennial reign. That is His goal and His reward. Then He will be perfected and His work completed. [not 'all things', until the end of the Mill.]
Note the next verse of Luke 13:33, where Jesus tells of His immediate plans.

You wrote: Read the OP again, check the verses quoted; it all adds perfectly, is that not proof of God's Plan? No! What it proves is that our accounting of the years from the creation event is likely within the ballpark of 5700 to 6,000 years. But nothing in your Scripture references clearly defines the idea that at the 6,000 year mark, Jesus will return.

The Scriptures in the OP were just actual figures as given to us in the Bible and the accurately known date of the Babylonian conquest. We can trust them as 'God breathed' or where are we? Many Bible scholars think the 7 'days' of Creation in Genesis can be construed as 7000 year periods. The two witnesses: Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 make this and God's overall Plan to be exactly as we now, from hindsight, see it.
Does it worry you, or anyone else, that we will experience the events of the end of this age? For myself, I count it a great privilege to be alive at this time of human history. Come Lord Jesus!

 

[tickingclocker]

I did have some help to list all the scriptures, but I spent quite a bit of time carefully adding and making sure all was correct. The trickiest part was the BCE/CE changover, just realize that the years are counted at their start, BCE 1, then CE 1 and so on, both ways.
All quite amazing and is proof of the 7000 year Plan of God.
But the event that we are told will 'come as a thief', unexpectedly and without warning, is the Lord's Day of wrath, His Day of judgement/punishment of the nations, Habakkuk 3:12, Psalms 2:1-12
This is the event I am trying to get people to know about and prepare for, spiritually and physically.

Which calendar(s) did you use to come up with your theory?

 

[miamited]

Hi keras,

You responded:

Typically, we have a translation difference. Your KJV says: I shall be perfected. The NIV, CJB and the REB says: I will reach My goal. We know from many prophesies that Jesus will Return in glory for His Millennial reign. That is His goal and His reward. Then He will be perfected and His work completed. [not 'all things', until the end of the Mill.]
Note the next verse of Luke 13:33, where Jesus tells of His immediate plans.

That's certainly a possibility and I know that I have myself found words to be translated differently by various translations where one gives slightly different understanding than another.

You also wrote:

The Scriptures in the OP were just actual figures as given to us in the Bible and the accurately known date of the Babylonian conquest. We can trust them as 'God breathed' or where are we? Many Bible scholars think the 7 'days' of Creation in Genesis can be construed as 7000 year periods. The two witnesses: Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 make this and God's overall Plan to be exactly as we now, from hindsight, see it.
Does it worry you, or anyone else, that we will experience the events of the end of this age? For myself, I count it a great privilege to be alive at this time of human history. Come Lord Jesus!

I'm not particularly concerned that I may live during the days of great tribulation. Much like you, I'm excited to live the life that the Lord has prepared for me, whatever that may bring.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[tickingclocker]

.... If you move to Beulah in the near future you will be persecuted there for your belief in Jesus ..

Nobody's moving to Israel unless they are a Jew. That's their law. You can visit, but you cannot live there without a reason they deem valid. You also have to promise not to proselytize while visiting, or if allowed to remain until your visa runs out.

 

[dfw69]

Nobody's moving to Israel unless they are a Jew. That's their law. You can visit, but you cannot live there without a reason they deem valid. You also have to promise not to proselytize while visiting, or if allowed to remain until your visa runs out.

I don't want to move to Israel ..

Keras if your planning to move to Beulah you might try converting to Judaism first

 

[Hoghead1]

Typically, we have a translation difference. Your KJV says: I shall be perfected. The NIV, CJB and the REB says: I will reach My goal. We know from many prophesies that Jesus will Return in glory for His Millennial reign. That is His goal and His reward. Then He will be perfected and His work completed. [not 'all things', until the end of the Mill.]
Note the next verse of Luke 13:33, where Jesus tells of His immediate plans.

The Scriptures in the OP were just actual figures as given to us in the Bible and the accurately known date of the Babylonian conquest. We can trust them as 'God breathed' or where are we? Many Bible scholars think the 7 'days' of Creation in Genesis can be construed as 7000 year periods. The two witnesses: Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 make this and God's overall Plan to be exactly as we now, from hindsight, see it.
Does it worry you, or anyone else, that we will experience the events of the end of this age? For myself, I count it a great privilege to be alive at this time of human history. Come Lord Jesus!

What particular major biblical scholars do you have in mind here? Certainly not those of us into the Higher Criticism, which is central in truly modern biblical studies.

 

[miamited]

What particular major biblical scholars do you have in mind here? Certainly not those of us into the Higher Criticism, which is central in truly modern biblical studies.

Hi hoghead,

While I get that there are many who believe that higher criticism (and honestly I have no idea why you would capitalize the words) is 'central in truly modern biblical studies', my problem is that I'm not sure that 'truly modern biblical studies' lead to the truth. As I understand the Scriptures, they were the truth when they were written and written to be understood by the people of their day as such truth, although admittedly there are obviously many points of the Scriptures that many didn't get in their day or today. I have a hard time convincing myself that God authored the Scriptures through His Holy Spirit, but didn't intend for them to be understood 'correctly' until there came unto men the 'higher criticism that leads to truly modern biblical studies'.

There is a point in Jesus' triumphal entry to Jerusalem where he seems to be telling them that they should have understood what was happening before their very eyes on that day. Is it your opinion that because they didn't have the 'higher criticism that leads to truly modern biblical studies' that they didn't get it? Or is it possible that our arrogance in thinking that we need these modern tools to understand the Scriptures is really nothing more than our wicked hearts leading us astray from the truth? For me, the Scriptures are simple and direct in most cases. I do exclude, of course, Jesus speaking in parables which we are told is for the very purpose of leaving men blind.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[keras]

Which calendar(s) did you use to come up with your theory?

The Gregorian calendar, our current system. I thought I had made that clear and how it fits into the time periods as given in our Bibles.

Nobody's moving to Israel unless they are a Jew. That's their law. You can visit, but you cannot live there without a reason they deem valid. You also have to promise not to proselytize while visiting, or if allowed to remain until your visa runs out.

I have been to Israel and stayed for exactly the 3 months allowed. While there, my wife and I attended Christ Church and a Messanic church on Jaffa road, in Jerusalem. We travelled around most of the country and felt the ambience of the holy Land. However, it is very evident that the current inhabitants of Israel and the rest of the holy Land are just temporary citizens, soon to be removed as God clears and cleanses His Land, ready for His people to go and live there. Deuteronomy 32:43, Isaiah 29:1-4, Jeremiah 12:14, Zechariah 13:7-9 Only a remnant of Christian Jews will survive.

 

[keras]

I'm simply not so bold as to think that I, or any of those who have counted out the years, is as precise as you seem to think your accounting is. We will see.

Have you got a calculator? Why not check my additions, and the Bible times before casting aspersions on my work.
I may seem to be bold in presenting Bible prophecy as truth. The prophets themselves were bold and they mostly got killed for it. Lucky for me, I am far enough away and just have to put up with those whose precious beliefs are challenged and give me nasty verbal abuse, as they can't prove me wrong from scripture.

 

[tickingclocker]

The Gregorian calendar, our current system. I thought I had made that clear and how it fits into the time periods as given in our Bibles.

I have been to Israel and stayed for exactly the 3 months allowed. While there, my wife and I attended Christ Church and a Messanic church on Jaffa road, in Jerusalem. We travelled around most of the country and felt the ambience of the holy Land. However, it is very evident that the current inhabitants of Israel and the rest of the holy Land are just temporary citizens, soon to be removed as God clears and cleanses His Land, ready for His people to go and live there. Deuteronomy 32:43, Isaiah 29:1-4, Jeremiah 12:14, Zechariah 13:7-9 Only a remnant of Christian Jews will survive.

Sorry. I'm joining the question late. Must have missed that one. In fact, I think I might go over your responses to see more.

Myself, I'm looking forward to New Jerusalem. It's already spotless. In fact, God doesn't even want it so much as touching the old Jerusalem.

 

[tickingclocker]

What I find truly amazing, is all this has been in our Bibles for 100's of years and thousands of Bible scholars have pored over it all, yet haven't [that I know of] been able to get these facts straight.
This is truly a fulfilment of Matthew 11:25, because I am a dropout from high school and have never been brainwashed at a Bible college of Seminary.
I thank and praise God for His use of me to present His truths, now it is up to those who read them to take note of His Plans and be ready for what must happen in our days.
logostelos.info

I see where you're going with all this. Everyone has missed it... except you? Ah. I see, said the blind man?

BTW, Jesus attended "seminary" in the Temple.

Wait! I can't be the blind, because I already suspected it. Man, this forum seems to be full of them, all running amok.

 

[keras]

I see where you're going with all this. Everyone has missed it... except you? Ah. I see, said the blind man?

What can I say, except that I know in my heart that the Lord has inspired me to do what I have.

BTW, Jesus attended "seminary" in the Temple.

It seems that He taught them! Luke 2:45-47

Wait! I can't be the blind, because I already suspected it. Man, this forum seems to be full of them, all running amok.

No need for useless comments. Try to contribute instead of blindly following those who feel threatened by the truth.

 

[keras]

Sorry. I'm joining the question late. Must have missed that one. In fact, I think I might go over your responses to see more.

Do that and if you want to find out more about me or read my free articles, check out: logostelos.info

Myself, I'm looking forward to New Jerusalem. It's already spotless. In fact, God doesn't even want it so much as touching the old Jerusalem.

New Jerusalem doesn't appear on the scene until after the Millennium. Lots to happen before that.

 

[tickingclocker]

Thanks Scott.
My task is to point out the truths of the Prophetic Word. People then do what they like with those facts.
It is perfectly evident to any thinking person, even secular people, that this world is overdue for a dramatic change.
We Christians have the Bible, the only sure Word from our Creator. Take heed, or be overtaken by events!

We Christians indeed have the bible, the only sure Word from our Creator. So... why do think we need you to tell us what Jesus Himself has already foretold (Luke 21:31)? You sound like so many: God has given me special knowledge of when the world is going to end. Prepare for the End! How is this special knowledge, then, if God already told us the End IS coming (since the dawn of time), but don't become alarmed for He has overcome the world? My own father feverishly worked out a time for YEARS when Jesus would return. He was so completely sure of himself, and guess what? 1971 came and went. It's oblivious now, except for marking the year my dad's faith was destroyed. He didn't really trust in God. He trusted in his ability to command God. Don't do the same for your own spiritual good.

Nothing arrives until God says it will. I'll trust His timing, even though I don't know the details. NO one else's. And I'm not worried over His timing in the least either, before you possibly respond with something negative. Whenever, Lord, is just fine with me, because my trust is in YOU! So with that faith outlook, how can anyone possibly be overtaken by some mysterious or even apparent 'events' because they don't listen to--you? "I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but wholly lean on Jesus' Name." Old but still shining brightly.

Maybe, maybe not, but it sounds like you have a certain date you would like to pronounce, but cannot because of certain rules of this forum? IDK. I'm new here. But "eleven o'clock in NZ" kind of sounds like you believe you have it all buttoned up.

 

[tickingclocker]

"keras, post: 69569753, member: 324545"]Do that and if you want to find out more about me or read my free articles, check out: logostelos.info
---I know more than enough about you already. Thanks all the same. I'm good.

New Jerusalem doesn't appear on the scene until after the Millennium. Lots to happen before that.
---And that somehow is... not as interesting? On second thought.... Never mind.

 

[keras]

We Christians indeed have the bible, the only sure Word from our Creator. So... why do think we need you to tell us what Jesus Himself has already foretold (Luke 21:31)?

As a Christian churchgoer for all my life, I have heard 100's of sermons and had many good discussions at home groups, etc. But the times that Bible prophecy was discussed, would be barely a handful and mostly then it was only to make a point about salvation. I can only remember one pastor who attempted some of Revelation, one time.
So, how much does the average Christian know about Bible prophecy? Words that make up over 1/4 of the Bible. The ignorance is truly shocking and it leaves people complacent or worse; open to false teachings.
However my experience is that most people simply do not want to know or even discuss Bible prophecy. I had thought by posting actual scriptures on a forum like this, there would be mutually helpful discussions and maybe, with a little flexibility, some kind of consensus could be reached.
I remain hopeful for this outcome.

 

[tickingclocker]

People love discussing bible prophecy. Seems that's all there is out there lately in churches. They just don't like discussing it with people who think they have some special revelation from God that they know the date Jesus will return, when He admitted in His perfect humanity that even He didn't know. He seemed quite comfortable with that unknown, so shouldn't we follow suit? If the Son of God couldn't determine that, what makes you think you can?

Yes, we are heading for the worse of times. So are Christians in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Armenia, Egypt, Libya---RIGHT NOW, as we speak! Have you prayed for them to keep their witness? That is what they are asking for in prayer. It's surely some good we can do NOW, while we can. Who knows when our turn will come, to cry out for the same? Be ready, indeed.

I've come to recognize that with people who claim such things as you have, it is quickly revealed that what they really mean is, lets all come to "my" consensus. No can do. I'll wait upon God's ETA. Whenever it will be, I'm okay with it. Really. I have no reason to lie. (John 20:29)