Can someone please Explain why this is not a breach of American Law?

[aieyiamfu]

No, that is not the suggestion. Where a company spends its money is not relevant to my query, it is the basis of that choice, does it breach the law or not? Clearly the basis of this choice looks like a breach to me, since they have chosen to make that choice on the basis of sexuality, which [as I am often told] is illegal. If a bakery or flower shop is not entitled to make a choice on this basis, why is a large company? Companies should be run on an a-political basis.

It also annoys me that said company is using my purchasing clout to push an agenda against my will. I do not approve of the director's personal opinions being used as my voice. This is a breach of my personal rights. I say Paypal should be called to account. It has no right to make a decision on the basis of sexuality or belief system.

If you do not like it boycott pay pal, and tell them why and get everyone you know to do so as well, that is how change is forced on private companies. I personally don't care one way or the other,nor do I use pay pal but if I did and used pay pal that is how I would proceed not ask why it's not illegal.

 

[aieyiamfu]

We have men's rooms, women's rooms and family restrooms. Why not just add transgender rooms. It would afford everyone what they want.

Why not just unisex rest rooms with stalls around the urinals like around the toilets, it really is no big deal.

 

[RDKirk]

Why not just unisex rest rooms with stalls around the urinals like around the toilets, it really is no big deal.

Because women in rest rooms are gross and embarrassing. My wife has told me horror stories that I can't imagine happening in men's rooms.

 

[aieyiamfu]

Because women in rest rooms are gross and embarrassing. My wife has told me horror stories that I can't imagine happening in men's rooms.

My wife always says how great women's restrooms are because no one has urinated on the seats. I personally avoid public restrooms as much as possible I'm more comfortable on my own throne.

 

[JustOneWay]

No, that is not the suggestion. Where a company spends its money is not relevant to my query, it is the basis of that choice, does it breach the law or not? Clearly the basis of this choice looks like a breach to me, since they have chosen to make that choice on the basis of sexuality, which [as I am often told] is illegal. If a bakery or flower shop is not entitled to make a choice on this basis, why is a large company? Companies should be run on an a-political basis.

It also annoys me that said company is using my purchasing clout to push an agenda against my will. I do not approve of the director's personal opinions being used as my voice. This is a breach of my personal rights. I say Paypal should be called to account. It has no right to make a decision on the basis of sexuality or belief system.

You have no problem with your government pushing an agenda you agree with, but have a problem if another company pushes and agenda with which you disagree....

 

[aieyiamfu]

You have no problem with your government pushing an agenda you agree with, but have a problem if another company pushes and agenda with which you disagree....

That is how agendas tend to be.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

PayPal's not doing anything wrong here...

They, as a company have a right operate or not operate anywhere they please, for any reason they want, or no reason at all.

Business owners' rights go both ways...

You can't proclaim "A Business should be able to refuse service to anyone they want", but then take the attitude "A Business isn't allowed to refuse to do business in a certain place"

It seems to me that both sides of this debate seem to want to cherry-pick when a business has rights based on when it suits their personal viewpoints.

 

[essentialsaltes]

TECH GIANT LEAVES NORTH CAROLINA OVER SAME SEX BATHROOMS

North Carolina is paying a high price after striking down Charlotte's bathroom ordinance bill. PayPal says it is cancelling plans to bring more than 400 jobs and a $3.6 million investment into the city with its new operation centre.
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Why is Paypal not being called to account?

Because there is no law saying that companies must go through with plans they have announced.

Business should keep its nose out of such politics.

Hahahahaha. I mean, that would be nice. But since the Citizens United case, corporations can spend unlimited funds in elections. If you'd open your eyes a bit wider to what's going on, you'd see this Paypal thing is small potatoes. If you don't like Paypal's decision, cancel your account. You don't have a constitutional right to a Paypal account. Or Ebay.

 

[civilwarbuff]

No, that is not the suggestion. Where a company spends its money is not relevant to my query, it is the basis of that choice, does it breach the law or not? Clearly the basis of this choice looks like a breach to me, since they have chosen to make that choice on the basis of sexuality, which [as I am often told] is illegal. If a bakery or flower shop is not entitled to make a choice on this basis, why is a large company? Companies should be run on an a-political basis.

It also annoys me that said company is using my purchasing clout to push an agenda against my will. I do not approve of the director's personal opinions being used as my voice. This is a breach of my personal rights. I say Paypal should be called to account. It has no right to make a decision on the basis of sexuality or belief system.

Stop using paypal and find someone else to use. Then write paypal and tell them what you have done. Money speaks volumes which is what they are trying to demonstrate.

 

[Belk]

LOL, no it wouldn't. That's not what they want. Adding transgender facilities has already been struck down in public schools ... because "they" want complete freedom of choice in regards to restroom facilities.

That's the truth. The question I'm left to wonder with is who exactly "they" are and just why this matter of free choice in restroom facilities is so important to "them".

So you don't know who "they" are but you know the full extent of their agenda? Good thing you told me it was the truth. Otherwise I might think you were talking out your hind quarters.

 

[NightHawkeye]

So you don't know who "they" are but you know the full extent of their agenda? Good thing you told me it was the truth. Otherwise I might think you were talking out your hind quarters.

LOL ... transgender facilities being provided in schools have several times now been struck down in favor of requiring full access, any gender, any time. That's a FACT.

Something about separate but equal being discriminatory ...

 

[Sophrosyne]

Let Paypal do their thing.... it is quite possible that other family orientated businesses may notice the refusal of NC to bow to LGBT pressure and decide to move there instead giving NC a lot more business. I use paypal because it is useful regardless of the LGBT support they offer and will continue to do so until something as good or better comes along. There have been boycotts before and at times they work often though it just makes companies that support "groups" to be less outspoken about their support but probably no less financial. It is possible that other non LGBT states may now refuse to give Paypal any incentive to move to their states and Paypal will end up in a state that they "like" instead which is ok with me.

 

[SepiaAndDust]

Let Paypal do their thing.... it is quite possible that other family orientated businesses may notice the refusal of NC to bow to LGBT pressure and decide to move there instead giving NC a lot more business. I use paypal because it is useful regardless of the LGBT support they offer and will continue to do so until something as good or better comes along. There have been boycotts before and at times they work often though it just makes companies that support "groups" to be less outspoken about their support but probably no less financial. It is possible that other non LGBT states may now refuse to give Paypal any incentive to move to their states and Paypal will end up in a state that they "like" instead which is ok with me.

Every year, there are fewer and fewer "family-oriented business" that can afford to exclude any segment of the consumer base, so it's more likely that the number of those buisnesses will dwindle away to next to nothing.

As a state loses businesses to this sort of thing, the state's population decreases as well because people move elsewhere to find work. Which reduces the congressional representation of that state and raises the representation in states that are hosting the more friendly businesses.

 

[civilwarbuff]

The PayPal European headquarters are located inLuxembourg and the international headquarters are in Singapore. Wiki

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Singapore

Bit of a double standard here?

 

[civilwarbuff]

One thing that needs to be considered is that paypal is a publicly owned company. If this action was taken at the direction of the BOD and the shareholders see this as a negative move or if it hurts the bottom line there will be backlash against the BOD and the company in general. After all, a corporations fiduciary duty is to the shareholders first.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

One thing that needs to be considered is that paypal is a publicly owned company. If this action was taken at the direction of the BOD and the shareholders see this as a negative move or if it hurts the bottom line there will be backlash against the BOD and the company in general. After all, a corporations fiduciary duty is to the shareholders first.

Very true!

I wasn't aware they were publicly owned. That is a very strange move then, the one and only objective should be to maximise shareholder wealth. I don't know how they'll manage to convince the board of directors this helps achieve that.

 

[RDKirk]

Very true!

I wasn't aware they were publicly owned. That is a very strange move then, the one and only objective should be to maximise shareholder wealth. I don't know how they'll manage to convince the board of directors this helps achieve that.

As they stated, their actions are in accordance with their own stated and standing corporate philosophies, which their stockholders ought to know and appreciate. There is never "one and only objective" in a corporation.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

As they stated, their actions are in accordance with their own stated and standing corporate philosophies, which their stockholders ought to know and appreciate. There is never "one and only objective" in a corporation.

In many (if not most) public corporations that is the one and only objective. That is widely considered to be the optimal form of corporate governance. If you have multiple objectives you have conflicting interests.

 

[SepiaAndDust]

As they stated, their actions are in accordance with their own stated and standing corporate philosophies, which their stockholders ought to know and appreciate. There is never "one and only objective" in a corporation.

Besides, North Carolina has some cheap land and cheap labor, but so do many other states. They may have figured that not associating themselves with North Carolina at this time is best for their public image, and thus, for their bottom line.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Besides, North Carolina has some cheap land and cheap labor, but so do many other states. They may have figured that not associating themselves with North Carolina is best for their public image, and thus, for their pocketbook.

That would be one way they can justify it as maximising shareholder wealth, by improving reputation, sure.

It would also increase public exposure by getting onto the news, in of itself this can be beneficial.