What is the greatest evidence against the theory of evolution...?

[ClothedInGrace]

No, not if you ignore the data which jar against your belief.

I've seen eyes in the thousands damaged or blinded by a lack of ability to properly regulate their internal pressure.
If this was designed then it was BAD design.

Our eyes were created perfect, but ever since sin we have had to deal with death and decay. But, you don't believe that, and there is nothing I can do to prove to you it is the case.

 

[Loudmouth]

Our eyes were created perfect, but ever since sin we have had to deal with death and decay. But, you don't believe that, and there is nothing I can do to prove to you it is the case.

Death and decay caused the retina of every single vertebrate species to suddenly turn backwards? Seriously?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

And yet we can observe new human beings formed through completely natural processes without any deity involved.

Yes, because God created us with the ability to reproduce. You believe the human reproductive system came to be through evolution?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Death and decay caused the retina of every single vertebrate species to suddenly turn backwards? Seriously?

You think your view on the eye is enough to disprove that we were intelligently created? Seriously?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

What is the evidence for design?

Where is the evidence it is random?

Where is the evidence it is design? Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. Husky mates with Husky and produces only Husky. Brown bears mate with Brown bears and produce only Brown bears, Bottle-nosed dolphin mate with Bottle-nosed dolphin and produce only Bottle-nosed dolphin. On and on and on for every creature you choose to name. Only when one infraspecific taxa mates with another - is variation ever observed within the species. Only when Asian mates with African is an Afro-Asian born. If it was random, why do Afro-Asians never spontaneously come into being????? Why does it require the Husky to mate with the Mastiff to produce a Chinook? Why does the Chinook never randomly generate - or why does the Asian and African not randomly generate something different, ever?

You got all the evidence pointing to design and none at all pointing to random occurrences. But we already know you refuse to consider all the observational evidence in favor of your faith.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

It isn't an opinion that the tissue in front of the light sensitive cells in our retina reduce both resolution and sensitivity. It is a fact.

Because otherwise you would go blind without that added protection from radiation. Part of the plan to enable you to see in the first place. the fact you think an animal that lives in water should have the same eye composition and functionality as one that lives in air (or you think we should believe that) shows your confusion.

You design a sub differently than you design a boat or a car.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I see no fault in a healthy human eye, as I can use it for everything God intended me to use it for. You have just been taught this lie that octopus eyes are somehow better than yours.

The octopus eye IS objectively better then ours.

It doesn't have a blind spot, which means that it also has no need for additional, energy consuming, mechanisms to "correct" the image so that one doesn't notice the blind spot.

An eye that doesn't need additional energy consuming mechanism to provide an image is objectively better then one that does.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, because God created us with the ability to reproduce.

Based on what evidence?

You believe the human reproductive system came to be through evolution?

I have facts which demonstrate common ancestry between humans and other species.

 

[DogmaHunter]

To be an atheist I would think you need to prove abiogenesis. Otherwise, the life that looks designed most likely is.

Argument from ignorance.

"if you don't know, it must mean that my religion is correct!"

 

[Loudmouth]

Because otherwise you would go blind without that added protection from radiation.

Then why do vertebrate fish have the same inverted retina?

 

[Loudmouth]

Where is the evidence it is random?

Shifting the burden of proof.

Where is the evidence it is design? Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. Husky mates with Husky and produces only Husky. Brown bears mate with Brown bears and produce only Brown bears, Bottle-nosed dolphin mate with Bottle-nosed dolphin and produce only Bottle-nosed dolphin. On and on and on for every creature you choose to name. Only when one infraspecific taxa mates with another - is variation ever observed within the species. Only when Asian mates with African is an Afro-Asian born. If it was random, why do Afro-Asians never spontaneously come into being????? Why does it require the Husky to mate with the Mastiff to produce a Chinook? Why does the Chinook never randomly generate - or why does the Asian and African not randomly generate something different, ever?

You got all the evidence pointing to design and none at all pointing to random occurrences. But we already know you refuse to consider all the observational evidence in favor of your faith.

Are humans and chimps separate species?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Hmm, I don't know. Have you ever looked at a living creature?

You don't know?
Then why are you making a knowledge claim???

 

[Loudmouth]

You think your view on the eye is enough to disprove that we were intelligently created? Seriously?

Can't answer the question?

Do you really think that death and decay caused the retina of every single vertebrate species to turn backwards?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Can't answer the question?

Do you really think that death and decay caused the retina of every single vertebrate species to turn backwards?

No. I believe God created every creature the way they were intended to be.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

The octopus eye IS objectively better then ours.

It doesn't have a blind spot, which means that it also has no need for additional, energy consuming, mechanisms to "correct" the image so that one doesn't notice the blind spot.

An eye that doesn't need additional energy consuming mechanism to provide an image is objectively better then one that does.

Go get yourself a set of octopus eyes then. I'm happy with mine.

 

[Loudmouth]

No.

Then how do you explain why the human eye is flawed and not perfect? Why do those specific flaws always show up in eyes belonging to species that also have a spinal column? How do you explain this relationship?

 

[Loudmouth]

Go get yourself a set of octopus eyes then. I'm happy with mine.

So you still can't accept the fact that the octopus eye is objectively better than the human eye?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Based on what evidence?



I have facts which demonstrate common ancestry between humans and other species.

The fact that we do reproduce is evidence that God created us with the ability to reproduce, but I know you don't really believe in any creator so that seems silly to you.

You have facts? More like an interpretation of fossils that fit the evolutionary theory.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Every organ has a purpose in the system we call 'organism'.

First of all, the correct word is function, not purpose.

Secondly, "organ", perhaps. What about "part"?
What is the "purpose" of male nipples?
Wisdom teeth?
Non-functioning eye-balls in moles?

And why, for example, is our spine not actually fit for bipedalism, causing lower back-pains in the majority of humans at some point in life?

An organism is an organised bunch of interdependent systems.
it is made up of high end nano technological units we call cells.
It is irreducibly complex on many levels.
From eco system to organelles.

Strange use of words again. But okay.
So, how is that evidence for the claim that it was designed?

 

[DogmaHunter]

You can;t look at a cell and see that it is an incredibly complex machine that does exactly what it is supposed to?

You mean, unless it goes beserk and turns into a cancerous tumor?