What is the greatest evidence against the theory of evolution...?

[juvenissun]

No. Evolution is a gradual process. Not an "abrupt and quick" one.

Here you go. You just said that human is not evolved.

 

[juvenissun]

Designed? Looks designed.

It IS designed.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Here you go. You just said that human is not evolved.

No. I said that evolution is a gradual process.
Humans didn't evolve "quickly and abruptly". You might claim they did, but in reality, it took some 6 to 8 million years from the most recent common ancestor with chimpansees to homo sapiens.

 

[KWCrazy]

Then this is not evidence. Evidence is a body of information that speaks for itself. It doesn't require any particular belief set to observe it.

Evidence comes in many forms. It can be hard, physical evidence, such as a video of a thing happening, it can be circumstantial in nature or it can come from personal testimony. When you see God it's too late. You will have your evidence as you stand trial for rejecting His grace. So what evidence do we have of God? There's plenty on this website. There are several threads about miracles, which you can search. There you will find average people who have experienced extraordinary things retelling their encounters. The thing about pretending there is no God is that you have to pretend we live in a purely natural, physical word. A single supernatural encounter disproves that. Dare you seek the evidence, or will you sit in blissful ignorance pretending that actions have no consequence.

I made a challenge years ago which I extend to any atheist, though none have had the courage to accept. Go to any experienced Christian clergyman and ask him what encounters he has had with the supernatural. Look into his eyes as he tells you so you know if he's telling the truth or lying. You can't tell that from words on a page on a website. Wiser men than you have discovered the Lord; the one true God; creator of the Heavens and the Earth. Evidence of his existence is in your own conscience; that nagging sense of guilt whenever you do something wrong. In a purely evolved world there is not right and wrong; everything is subjective. Why, then, does the Lord convict your heart of your sins?

A wise and curious man will investigate the existence of God. He will not simply shut his eyes and say "I don't see Him." God's existence is not dependent on whether you agree with it or not.

 

[KWCrazy]

The octopus eye, it seems, evolved independently to ours and whilst it is similar in many ways the octopus got the retina in ‘the right way’. Its rods and cones face forwards, and blood supply and nerves come from behind.

Octopi live in the sea and are never exposed to direct sunlight, so anyone designing them would give them eyes that are more low light sensitive. Our eyes can survive intense light without burning out (though it is possible if you stare at the sun). Isn't God amazing?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Evidence comes in many forms. It can be hard, physical evidence, such as a video of a thing happening, it can be circumstantial in nature or it can come from personal testimony. When you see God it's too late. You will have your evidence as you stand trial for rejecting His grace. So what evidence do we have of God? There's plenty on this website. There are several threads about miracles, which you can search. There you will find average people who have experienced extraordinary things retelling their encounters.

So, do you always just believe people's testimony about "encounters", no matter how fantastical those testimonies are?

Or do you just believe them when they are given within the context of things that you already believed, such as your particular religion (and interpretation/denomination thereof) for example?

The thing about pretending there is no God is that you have to pretend we live in a purely natural, physical word.

"pretend"?

I "pretend" gods aren't real in exactly the same way as I "pretend" that no invisible dragon is about to eat me.

A single supernatural encounter disproves that.

Sure. But how can we know such an encounter actually took place? Sure, a lot of people claim to have witnessed such a thing... But I shouldn't have to tell you that a lot of people claim a great many things, which turn out to be lies or just plain old mistakes and even hallucinations.

Do you understand that asking us to "simply believe" certain specific "testimonies" and "simply reject" other specific "contradicting testimonies", just so we can buy into your particular religion, is kind of problematic for our side of the fence?

Surely you must understand who, to a non-believer, stuff like that simply isn't convincing at all...

Imagine how you would feel if being asked by a muslim to turn to islam "because of all the islamic testimonies concerning encounters with allah" or something similar.

Be honest now, would this convince you in any way? Would you loose any sleep over it at all?

I made a challenge years ago which I extend to any atheist, though none have had the courage to accept. Go to any experienced Christian clergyman and ask him what encounters he has had with the supernatural. Look into his eyes as he tells you so you know if he's telling the truth or lying.

Been there, done that.

I'm absolutely positive that most people really believe they had such encounters. I just think they are mistaken.

Go ask an alien abductee about his abduction. Look into his eyes. From his perspective, he's most certainly telling you the truth and what he thinks to remember from the experience.

Therefor... aliens really abduct people and perform weird sex experiments on them?

Wiser men than you have discovered the Lord

And wiser men then you have become atheist. Or muslim. Or hindu. Or buddhist. So what?

Being "wise" doesn't exclude you from believing false things.

Evidence of his existence is in your own conscience; that nagging sense of guilt whenever you do something wrong

I don't require gods to explain that "voice".

In a purely evolved world there is not right and wrong; everything is subjective.

That is just false. Social constructs will always require some rules of conduct to function properly. Wherever there is an organized social structure, there will be a morality of some sorts. Social structures simply crumble without rules concerning behaviour.

A wise and curious man will investigate the existence of God.

A wise and curious man, follows the evidence.

God's existence is not dependent on whether you agree with it or not.

To that, I will agree. And it goes both ways... no matter how many people believe it, no matter how many claim to have seen something... it doesn't make it true or accurate.

 

[juvenissun]

No. I said that evolution is a gradual process.
Humans didn't evolve "quickly and abruptly". You might claim they did, but in reality, it took some 6 to 8 million years from the most recent common ancestor with chimpansees to homo sapiens.

Human intelligence did appear quickly and abruptly.

 

[SteveB28]

Evidence comes in many forms. It can be hard, physical evidence, such as a video of a thing happening, it can be circumstantial in nature or it can come from personal testimony. When you see God it's too late. You will have your evidence as you stand trial for rejecting His grace. So what evidence do we have of God? There's plenty on this website. There are several threads about miracles, which you can search. There you will find average people who have experienced extraordinary things retelling their encounters. The thing about pretending there is no God is that you have to pretend we live in a purely natural, physical word. A single supernatural encounter disproves that. Dare you seek the evidence, or will you sit in blissful ignorance pretending that actions have no consequence.

Personal testimonies are not evidence.

I made a challenge years ago which I extend to any atheist, though none have had the courage to accept. Go to any experienced Christian clergyman and ask him what encounters he has had with the supernatural. Look into his eyes as he tells you so you know if he's telling the truth or lying. You can't tell that from words on a page on a website. Wiser men than you have discovered the Lord; the one true God; creator of the Heavens and the Earth. Evidence of his existence is in your own conscience; that nagging sense of guilt whenever you do something wrong. In a purely evolved world there is not right and wrong; everything is subjective. Why, then, does the Lord convict your heart of your sins?

Part of my working life was spent working with the mentally ill - psychotics, schizophrenics. Look into their eyes. You will be convinced that "the voices" certainly exist.

A wise and curious man will investigate the existence of God. He will not simply shut his eyes and say "I don't see Him." God's existence is not dependent on whether you agree with it or not.

Will the same "wise man" investigate unicorns? Leprechauns? Poltergeists perhaps? Should a "wise man" spend some time looking for fairies at the bottom of his garden?

 

[Subduction Zone]

We were discussing if a computer could arise from a junkyard. He said it could if there was a selective mechanism. I asked where it would come from if we were talking about life. Do you believe the environment chose to assemble life?

Yes, I know. It was a rather poor question to ask. It shows that you don't know enough about the science that you hate so much to dispute it in any way at all. You should learn for a while and quit asking silly questions where you assume that the other side is wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It IS designed.

Sorry, the evidence disagrees with you.

Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Octopi live in the sea and are never exposed to direct sunlight, so anyone designing them would give them eyes that are more low light sensitive. Our eyes can survive intense light without burning out (though it is possible if you stare at the sun). Isn't God amazing?

And this is nonsense because fish in the sea, who we share a common ancestor with and have essentially the same eyes, live in the same environment as octopi do. This is an unsubstantiated claim from a creationist site where they forgot to fact check.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Human intelligence did appear quickly and abruptly.

Nope, repeating your error does not make it true. But please, let's see some evidence.

 

[KWCrazy]

So, do you always just believe people's testimony about "encounters", no matter how fantastical those testimonies are?

No, not all. However, the premise is that either the supernatural exists or it does not. For it to NOT exist, every single supernatural encounter in the history of mankind has to be false. That's a pretty big presumption, especially since you can ask the people who posted here specific questions about what they encountered.

Or do you just believe them when they are given within the context of things that you already believed, such as your particular religion (and interpretation/denomination thereof) for example?

I believe that something happened at Fatima and I'm not Catholic.

"pretend"?
I "pretend" gods aren't real in exactly the same way as I "pretend" that no invisible dragon is about to eat me.

That's only good if there is no invisible dragon.
The fact is, one day you WILL die and after that there WILL be a day of judgment. On the throne will be the God you reject. You will give an accounting for your sins, and the weight of them will be overbearing. As an unforgiven sinner you will be cast away from the presence of the Lord. That's not what any of us want, which is why we invest our time responding to you. The difference between us and you is that we have a savior who paid the debt of our sins. You do not. We were all disbelievers before we became believers.

Sure. But how can we know such an encounter actually took place? Sure, a lot of people claim to have witnessed such a thing... But I shouldn't have to tell you that a lot of people claim a great many things, which turn out to be lies or just plain old mistakes and even hallucinations.

One of the things that I posted involved my brother, who was a hate filled bigot for most of his life. He was born with juvenile onset diabetes and could never do the things healthy kids could do. As time went on he became even more hateful and violent. He ended up living on the streets because he couldn't be trusted around children. When he finally discovered God, he became a deacon in the church, taught computer classes to the poor, ran the food pantry and went out of his way to help the people who lived in the same project house as he did. On the last day of his life he walked 2 miles in 90 degree heat to get groceries for a wheelchair bound black woman who lived in the apartment next to him. The members of his church; almost all of them minorities; said he was the finest of men. Only God could make such a change in a person's life. The power of the Lord working through my brother was indescribable. This particular "hallucination" has about 30 witnesses.

Do you understand that asking us to "simply believe" certain specific "testimonies" and "simply reject" other specific "contradicting testimonies", just so we can buy into your particular religion, is kind of problematic for our side of the fence?

We can only ask you to seek. Whether you find is up to you.

Surely you must understand who, to a non-believer, stuff like that simply isn't convincing at all...

That's why there are so many examples; one isn't enough. The Bible lists 333 miracles.

Imagine how you would feel if being asked by a muslim to turn to islam "because of all the islamic testimonies concerning encounters with allah" or something similar.

Islam has no miracles of which to boast.

Be honest now, would this convince you in any way? Would you loose any sleep over it at all?

Personal testimony is easy to refute. The testimony of hundreds who say the same thing is very difficult to refute. Jesus fed five thousand with a few loaves and fishes. News of that was spread by the people who were there. If the event had never happened, there would have been five thousand people denying it.

Go ask an alien abductee about his abduction. Look into his eyes. From his perspective, he's most certainly telling you the truth and what he thinks to remember from the experience.

In a universe which has billions of stars, 100% of the ones we can study closely supports life. How, then, can we say life is exclusive to this planet? Do you trust the government to tell the truth about a potential threat for which they can offer no defense? I don't know if there is life on other planets or not.
Genesis 6:
"Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."
Who were these men?

Being "wise" doesn't exclude you from believing false things.

Quite true.

I don't require gods to explain that "voice".

And it exists, which it would not had we simply evolved. A conscience suggests an intrinsic knowledge of right and wrong, which is what Adam and Eve discovered in Eden. With that knowledge came responsibility. No other animal has that knowledge, and no animal is eternally esponsible for its actions.

That is just false. Social constructs will always require some rules of conduct to function properly.

Social constructs are taught. The conscience is intrinsic.

A wise and curious man, follows the evidence.

Personal testimony is evidence. However, the true evidence comes when you open your heart to the Lord and you encounter the Holy Spirit. Once that happens, your world changes forever.

 

[Chris B]

It IS designed.

Fingal's cave?

 

[The Cadet]

No, not all. However, the premise is that either the supernatural exists or it does not. For it to NOT exist, every single supernatural encounter in the history of mankind has to be false. That's a pretty big presumption, especially since you can ask the people who posted here specific questions about what they encountered.

Could you define "supernatural" and "supernatural encounter" please?

 

[juvenissun]

Fingal's cave?

Certainly.
Do you know the details of the design?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Certainly.
Do you know the details of the design?

We would love to hear your version.

 

[Hieronymus]

Personal testimonies are not evidence.

Yes they are, but they're not proof.
(But it could still be personal proof though).

 

[Hieronymus]

Could you define "supernatural" and "supernatural encounter" please?

Isn't that self-defining then?

 

[Hieronymus]

Sorry, the evidence disagrees with you.

Evidence has no opinion.