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Darwin is without excuse because Mendel's book sat on his bookshelf.
In the Calvin / Armenian debate people fail to take into consideration that Wesley also took part in the discussion.
Totally irrational. Many reject evolution precisely because they feel it denies us any special standing with God. However, it does strengthen our bonds with the natural order, enables us to see we are part of it, not some alien intruder. As to special standing with God, God does not plan his day around us. God also has relationships with the natural order. And, anyway, who are we to think we are the epitome of God's creation?
Yes, but Wesley is only part of the picture. And you need to carefully check him out. He may very well challenge Calvin and then turn around and hold with similar notions. Arminius definitely did that. You will even find Calvinists trying to get Calvin off the hook by trying to force some idea of human freedom into his system.
I have read enough of his sermons online to know that he does not get the support he should in the church that he founded. Even they started to abandon his teachings on Holiness when he was still alive.
I was just summing up a point made on the link for those who did not want to follow though and click on the link.
Evolution is actually testable under certain lab conditions. It has been brought about and observed in bacteria. With larger organism, yes, it may take considerable time. But that's the way it works. So you can't observe it directly taking place. Big deal, so what? It is still the best explanation for the hard data we can find and observe. Remember, if no one can claim they directly observed the Big Bang, neither can anyone claim they directly obverted God creating in sex days.
I "disparage his work" because he did not work it through to reconcile his faith with his science. Even though his good friend Charles Lyell set a good example for him in that arena. That is why Lyell's work has stood the test of time better then Darwin's. Today Collins is an example of a leading man of science that is able to unite his faith with science.
So you are saying you are far more knowledgeable than all these scientists who do claim to have hard evidence? Hmmm. Very interesting.
Interesting Fraudian slip. The Kabbalah does say that "sex" is very much a part of creation. Some even say the elements are created though the Chinese teaching of the Yin-Yang Polarization.
Are you kidding? I don't know of any approaches that are more theologically oriented than these.
Yes, true. In my view of God, in panentheism (please not "pantheism"), the universe is seen as the body of God. This is also true of major sources in the Christian mystical tradition.
The question of God is definitely not a scientific question. Science is totally neutral on the issue. Also, not all scientists are atheists. I and many other theologians view God as essential for the evolutionary process to take place.
You left out the key world: "beneficial". God causes good to come out of everything but in general mistakes, errors and mutations are neutral or they are negative in nature. Not beneficial. Christians believe we live in a fallen world that is in need of a Redeemer and redemption. God is in control and He is going to restore this world to His plan and purpose. Science IE the theory of evolution does not taken the fallen condition of the world into consideration. God has everything under control. He dots every i and He crosses every t. There is nothing He leaves undone and unfinished and He leaves NOTHING to chance.
