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The Moral Argument
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Oncedeceived
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Yes and no. Yes, God is different but no He is not a higher species as God is not created. God enacts judgement against evil.
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Nihilist Virus
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I did, will you answer mine now.
You did not fully answer it. MAY he slaughter us for his own amusement?
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Nihilist Virus
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It is immoral to kill anything unless doing so is vital to your own survival. Doesn't everyone know this?
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Oncedeceived
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What does survival have to do with raping horses or making horses slaves have with killing? You ignore two examples and focus on the one and really don't answer at all.
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It's immoral to harm something if it does not pertain to your survival.
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Oncedeceived
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Does inseminating a horse harm it, does making a horse a slave harm it?
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Nihilist Virus
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Yes. Now, was it immoral for the Jews to slaughter villages and take the virgins for themselves as wives?
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Oncedeceived
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Yes, it was moral for Jews to slaughter those who had slaughtered them. It was moral for the Jews to take the women and care for them and take them for wives. The reason it was moral was that they had no way to make a life on their own. They were taken in and made wives not slaves. They were given at least a month to mourn and I imagine even longer if they needed it before they were married. They had all the same rights as any other wife in the Jewish community.
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I'm not talking about the ones who had slaughtered them, and in fact I don't even know what you're referring to there. I'm talking about the instances where they are the aggressors all the way, where they sack the city, and either kill everything in it or take the virgins as wives. That is what I was referring to. Is that morally acceptable?
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Oncedeceived
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I am heading to bed so I'll take this up in the morning. Good Night Nihilist.
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Why, so you can move the goalposts afterwards? That's not how this works. You have to commit to a moral stance now and then we test the Bible to see if it is compatible with what you consider to be morally correct.
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Oncedeceived
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I don't remember them attacking anyone first. If you do then present it.
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Here´s just one example of many:
Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
I have problems imagining that they had been attacked by those women, infants and sucklings first.
I also see a subtle difference between "slaying" and "marrying" a woman.
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