One piece, the Kalam

[Hieronymus]

Why not?

You tell me.
I don't know you.

 

[bhsmte]

You tell me.
I don't know you.

Why did you say it, if you dont know?

 

[Hieronymus]

So shall we assume from now on that when you refer to the universe "beginning to exist" you mean that it "began" in the same way that a loaf of bread "begins to exist"?

This is what the dictionary confirms, so yes.

If time (as a part of the universe) began to exist, then what caused it?

 

[Hieronymus]

Why did you say it, if you dont know?

Say what? I have said many things.

 

[quatona]

Indeed.
Now what caused it?

And, even more pressing: Where has space been moved from when it appeared on the scene?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Then you believe that the universe just popped into existence without a reason, due to nothing.
That's ridiculous.

This is a strawman. DogmaHunter said no such thing.

 

[bhsmte]

Say what? I have said many things.

Hilarious!

 

[Hieronymus]

I have.

I don't believe you.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't believe you.

Why?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

This is what the dictionary confirms, so yes.

So you are saying that the universe began to exist ex materia?

If time (as a part of the universe) began to exist, then what caused it?

I already addressed this point, several times. Please refer to my previous posts on the matter.

 

[Hieronymus]

This is a strawman. DogmaHunter said no such thing.

You sure have your debating vocabs eagerly ready, don't you?
Seriously though, when you deny a cause forthe universe, there's nothing left.
It's what we call "implication".

 

[Hieronymus]

Why?

You're not credible.

 

[Hieronymus]

So you are saying that the universe began to exist ex materia?

The cause is ex-universe, so to speak.

 

[Hieronymus]

I already addressed this point, several times. Please refer to my previous posts on the matter.

No you haven't.
You're just dancing around the pot.

 

[bhsmte]

You're not credible.

How did you reach that conclusion?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The cause is ex-universe, so to speak.

What does that even mean?

 

[Hieronymus]

How did you reach that conclusion?

You helped.

 

[Hieronymus]

What does that even mean?

What do you think?
It's not that hard,you're smart enough, you can even spell and write coherent sentences.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You sure have your debating vocabs eagerly ready, don't you?
Seriously though, when you deny a cause forthe universe, there's nothing left.
It's what we call "implication".

So why does God get to escape this requirement (having a cause), but the universe doesn't? Presumably you will say because God didn't "begin to exist," but the universe did. And then I will again ask you (for the fifth or sixth time) what you mean by that term.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

What do you think?
It's not that hard,you're smart enough, you can even spell and write coherent sentences.

Are you going to explain it or not?