Did God Create Fossils?

[Winter_Rose]

Fossils have got nothing to do with the enemy.

http://www.oum.ox.ac.uk/thezone/fossils/intro/form.htm

 

[miamited]

This is some significantly flawed logic. You won't accept countless experiments that consistently demonstrate a predictable approach to aging geological phenomena because no one was "there" to see it form? No one was there to see the creation account of Genesis, either, so the criteria is failed in both scenarios. You further say that you "believe God", meaning that you believe the words of Genesis as having their origin in God and representing a literal, mechanistic descriptions of the origin of the earth. However, you have no basis upon which to establish this claim, other than your own presuppositions about the nature of the Scriptures.

Hi ASB,

Well, you can call it presuppositions, but I call it plain english. For in six days God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them. Then He has given us testimony of the genealogies from Adam to Abraham. All spelled out in pretty plain english to me. I guess some might say that I'm understanding the words with some presuppostions, but I also checked with Miriam Webster and they agree that I'm defining and understanding the words correctly.

Listen, I get it! We have been conditioned to believe anything that a number of scientists tell us is the truth about such things.
But then the little voice in my head says to me, "a time will come when man will not put up with sound doctrine, but rather they will surround themselves with a cloud of witnesses to tell them what their itching ears want to hear." There is certainly a great cloud of witnesses that are telling us what our itching ears want to hear.

God says this. Man says, no, we've proven that 'this' can't be the right way to understand what God has said so those who still hold to God's explanation are just caught up in their own presuppositions. I get it!


God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I do not understand why many are so threatened by the suggestion that God created the universe 13.5 billion years ago and the earth some 4 billion years ago?
Is He not able to pull this off?
I think He is. I think there are rational answers to the questions that might come up. Including the idea of guided evolution of life from the "the ground." God spoke to the ground and command it to bring forth life. The very elements of the earth have within everything required, including the supernatural element, to "bring forth life." And if God said it, then His word does not return to Him void.
Nothing to fear here. No reason to cause divisions or arguments that divide. Let's just praise God that He has created all things and acknowledge the wisdom behind all this. One day science will catch up with this.
Praise His Name!

 

[Riberra]

The only witness alive who knows exactly how old every thing is, is God. He has given us His testimony. I believe God. We live in a created realm which includes the entire universe of stars and planets and nebula and such. It was all created by a personal and loving God who created it all for no other purpose than to provide a place where man, His ultimate and purposed creation, could have life. Where man could live and breath and eat and work and love and be born and die.

Can you answer the question:
Why did god created humans ?God have created billions of spiritual/soul beings Angels (sons of God) long before the creation of the material realm ..So,what is the reason for God to create human -a soul inside a flesh and blood body ?

Genesis 2:7
...And Adam became a living soul.

Man has never been able to provide a suitable answer for any of the works of God. He can't explain how the whole earth could just flood in a matter of days. He can't explain how a wall of water can stand at attention. He can't explain how the sun can be shining brightly in one city and it be pitch black in another only a couple of miles away at most. He can't explain how the sun can just stand still in the sky or how it could possibly back up. He can't explain anything that God has told us that He has done in His words. Why would I think to imagine that man can explain anything as to the greatest and most marvelous work of God; the creation in which we live.
So, when man comes to me and says, "Look, we have proof that some thing is millions or billions of years old". But can't actually offer me someone's testimony that saw the thing come into existence millions or billions of years ago and I have God's testimony that says that in seven days God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them, I'm going with God's testimony. I believe God. I trust that He has told me the truth as to the how, why and when this created realm came to exist.

The simple answer is that God have power over His own creation.Which does not contradict that God may have created the Kosmos (Heaven)and the Earth billions of years ago as the geological dating of the Earth demonstrate.
Genesis 1:1

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Genesis 1:2-31 tell us about the restauration of the Earth by God which have happened about 6,000 years ago.

1:-2-31 (A, page 1). "THE HEAVENS AND EARTH WHICH ARE NOW" (Extended Alternation).
A a -2-5. Darkness and Light. Night and Day 1st Day.
b 6-8. Warts. Division between them. 2nd Day.
c 9-13. Earth. Fruit from it. 3rd Day.
a 14-19. Day and Night. Sun and Moon. 4th Day.
b 20-23. Waters. Life from them. 5th Day.
c 34-31. Earth. Life from it. 6th Day.
-2 the Spirit of God moved (see Appendix 9) = The beginning of "the heavens and earth which are now" (2Peter 3:7). It is even so in the New Creation. The Spirit moves (John 3:3-8. Romans 8:5, 9, 14. Galatians 4:29. 2Corinthians 5:17,
18).

NOTES ON GENESIS 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.
http://www.therain.org/appendixes/isa4518.html#g12

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think Gen 2:4 opens the discussion up to many things. The heavens and earth were created in "generations." And these generations could be enclosed in a "day." Since only God was here when He created the heavens and the earth, then how long is a generation for God? If a day could be a thousand years, a generation could be a billion or more.

Gen 2:
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

I think the entire time element of Gen 1 is open to interpretation. As others have suggested, I believe the heavens and the earth were initially created in 1:1 with a single creative Word. Something happened in verse 2 which led to the rest of the chapter, essentially a "re-creation" of the earth.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

I do not understand why many are so threatened by the suggestion that God created the universe 13.5 billion years ago and the earth some 4 billion years ago?
Is He not able to pull this off?
I think He is. I think there are rational answers to the questions that might come up. Including the idea of guided evolution of life from the "the ground." God spoke to the ground and command it to bring forth life. The very elements of the earth have within everything required, including the supernatural element, to "bring forth life." And if God said it, then His word does not return to Him void.
Nothing to fear here. No reason to cause divisions or arguments that divide. Let's just praise God that He has created all things and acknowledge the wisdom behind all this. One day science will catch up with this.
Praise His Name!

It doesn't matter what He is or is not able to do. What matters is what He actually did. His Word says it was done in 6 days, and now that unbelievers have their hands on dating methods and fossils many professing believers are abandoning God's Word. Macroevolution and billions of years are simply incompatible with scripture's testimony of how it was done. Professing Christians who accept these things are a laughing stock among the scientific community because even they know that it is incompatible with God's Word, and to force it into the text is a laughable stretch to keep one's belief in the God of scripture.

 

[Riberra]

It doesn't matter what He is or is not able to do. What matters is what He actually did. His Word says it was done in 6 days, and now that unbelievers have their hands on dating methods and fossils many professing believers are abandoning God's Word. Macroevolution and billions of years are simply incompatible with scripture's testimony of how it was done. Professing Christians who accept these things are a laughing stock among the scientific community because even they know that it is incompatible with God's Word, and to force it into the text is a laughable stretch to keep one's belief in the God of scripture.

Can you answer the question:
Why did god created humans ?God have created billions of spiritual/soul beings Angels (sons of God) long before the creation of the material realm ..So,what is the reason/purpose for God to create human -a soul inside a flesh and blood body ?

Genesis 2:7
...And Adam became a living soul.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Can you answer the question:
Why did god created humans ?God have created billions of spiritual/soul beings Angels (sons of God) long before the creation of the material realm ..So,what is the reason for God to create human -a soul inside a flesh and blood body ?

Genesis 2:7
...And Adam became a living soul.

For His glory.

 

[Winter_Rose]

I do not understand why many are so threatened by the suggestion that God created the universe 13.5 billion years ago and the earth some 4 billion years ago?
Is He not able to pull this off?
I think He is. I think there are rational answers to the questions that might come up. Including the idea of guided evolution of life from the "the ground." God spoke to the ground and command it to bring forth life. The very elements of the earth have within everything required, including the supernatural element, to "bring forth life." And if God said it, then His word does not return to Him void.
Nothing to fear here. No reason to cause divisions or arguments that divide. Let's just praise God that He has created all things and acknowledge the wisdom behind all this. One day science will catch up with this.
Praise His Name!

I agree. Let's praise God and thank him for everything that he has done.

 

[Riberra]

For His glory.

Why did God repented to have created them ?

Genesis 6:6

6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Why did God repented to have created them ?

Genesis 6

It was not His action of creation that he repented of, but rather He saw how evil man had become and it fueled His righteous anger against them. The Hebrew uses the word nacham which means to sigh or groan.

 

[Riberra]

It was not His action of creation that he repented of, but rather He saw how evil man had become and it fueled His righteous anger against them. The Hebrew uses the word nacham which means to sigh or groan.

Why destroying also all the land animals including birds ....except of course those in the ark ?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Why destroying also all the land animals including birds ....

The entire earth was subjected to the fall after Adam and Eve sinned. We were made to rule over the earth, yet since we fell the earth and everything in it did too. I'm curious, why are you asking these questions?

 

[Riberra]

The entire earth was subjected to the fall after Adam and Eve sinned. We were made to rule over the earth, yet since we fell the earth and everything in it did too. I'm curious, why are you asking these questions?

Genesis 1:2-31 is remarkly similar to a previous destruction caused by a total flood....and a restauration of the Earth by God to its habitable state.

NOTES ON GENESIS 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.
http://www.therain.org/appendixes/isa4518.html#g12

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Genesis 1:2-31 is remarkly similar to a previous destruction caused by a total flood....and a restauration of the Earth by God to its habitable state.

What are you on about? Did you get that from the text itself or is that some idea you picked up?

 

[Riberra]

What are you on about? Did you get that from the text itself or is that some idea you picked up?

It come from other part of the Bible which provide some light...that God have not created the Earth tohu bohu Genesis 1:2

See:NOTES ON ISAIAH 45:18
http://www.therain.org/appendixes/isa4518.html#g12

 

[ClothedInGrace]

It come from other part of the Bible which provide some light...that God have not created the Earth tohu bohu Genesis 1:2

http://www.therain.org/appendixes/isa4518.html#g12

So God didn't create the earth in your opinion?

 

[Riberra]

So God didn't create the earth in your opinion?

In the beginning God have created the Earth perfect in Genesis 1:1

Tohu bohu means indescriptible ruin.

That means that the Earth became that way as mentioned in Genesis 1:2 ....

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Tohu bohu means indescriptible ruin.

תֹּהוּ tôhûw, to'-hoo; from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain:—confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

בֹּהוּ bôhûw, bo'-hoo; from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:—emptiness, void.

Both of these words together simply mean that the earth was empty and useless. Not that it was destroyed. The reason the words are sometimes associated with destruction is because after destruction something becomes empty and useless.

You never answered my question: Who created the earth in your mind?

 

[Riberra]

תֹּהוּ tôhûw, to'-hoo; from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain:—confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

בֹּהוּ bôhûw, bo'-hoo; from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:—emptiness, void.

Both of these words together simply mean that the earth was empty and useless. Not that it was destroyed. The reason the words are sometimes associated with destruction is because after destruction something becomes empty and useless.

Do you agree that ISAIAH 45:18 talk also about God's creation of the Earth ...

ISAIAH 45:18
18 For thus saith 1the LORD °That created the heavens;
God Himself °That formed the earth and °made it;
he hath established it, °He created it not °in vain,
He formed it to be inhabited: "I am 1the LORD;
and there is none else.

You never answered my question: Who created the earth in your mind?

God.