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You are wrong. Jews continue to be unenlightened to the extent that they think animal sacrifices should continue and reject the sacrifice of Jesus. Rituals and animal sacrifices are no longer required in the new covenant.



So you think persons with the new covenant can indulge in all sinful activities listed in no. 7? If you think it is, you are under the wrath of God even under the new covenant. One may not be stoned to death, but he will not enter the kingdom of God for sure.



No wonder you like Paul with goodies that are against the way of Jesus.



It is same for both Jews and Gentiles. Of course, God would love if Jews come to Him through Jesus because they were His chosen people.



Of course, Judaizers wanted the letter of the Law to continue along with rituals which Paul opposed. Paul was right on this account.



Blessings will not come even under the new covenant for sinful activities that were enumerated in the old.



Adultery and murder are sin under old. It is even sinful to think of them under the new. Do you realize the big difference here.



Stoning to death may have disappeared, but condemnation still continued.



No obedience to God under the OT and now in the NT continues. It is more difficult to remain obedient in the new covenant. Jesus did not come to issue licence to sin and get pardon next.



Sickness is the result of the fall of man and it has continued even now. Relief may be sought differently now.



A true believer follows Jesus, and he will have no time to speculate KOH or KOG or what not! That is for arm-chair Christians. Jesus demands workers.



No use dreaming of concepts of inaction.

1. I am wrong about what? I never said jews didn't think about the need for sacrifices or anything like that. The truth is some do and the Messianics don't that believe in the new covenant. The nation is preparing for this and to build the temple too. Many jews are atheist too. Jews can't even do sacrifices right now and I never said different and is not under the new covenant.
Your basis for saying this is most likely because I said you are living under the law mentality or something to that effect.

2. Have you ever disrespected your parent growing up? Did you have a mandatory judgement of stoning? These laws were there for the jews to obey to show that they loved God more than anyone including their children and spouse. This was the job of the civil law leaders and was not Jesus job because he was to seek and save that which was lost. This is why he exposed the hypocrisy of the leaders when he said, he without sin cast the first stone and told the accused woman, neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more.

3. As far as one sin damning to hell depends on if it is a death penalty sin and if one does not ask for forgiveness. The works of sin that will be damned and for what will not be able to enter the KOH is found in Galatians 5:19-21. Paul was speaking to christians who were not walking in the Spirit and fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. He was speaking to those who were not being led by the Spirit but living the law. This law was the law of Moses mentality that was taken advantage of by the law of sin and death and made them live in sin.

4. This goes back to Romans 7 and it is the context of Galatians and was another gospel that Paul talked about in the 1st chapter. In the 2nd chapter he talks about receiving his revelation and how James, Peter and John sanctioned Paul and what he had received as being given the grace of God's truth. He also called down Peter and the others walked not according to the truth of the gospel and reprimanded them because of respect of persons. They were trying to justify themselves by the works of the law and they were to be dead to the law of Moses works. Jews had this mentality to a certain point before because they had the covenants and they would be the head of the nations and until Peter had the vision of the unclean and clean they didn't understand that Calvary was about completely breaking down the wall of partition. Galatians was after Peter had been given the vision and he knew better and Paul kept him accountable. Peter sinned but he didn't go to hell.

5. Chapter 3 Works of the law are under the curse. If you just take this as not doing the commandments of some things wouldn't make any sense. This is what people believe that believe about doing the commandments. Not sinning is always in effect. We are always to be respectful to our parents and not commit murder and adultery and not have other God before us etc. Christians commit these but they don't have the same judgement.

6. The people before the law were to do commandments of whatever their revelation of God was. But you wouldn't say we live under just the law of our conscience alone that happened to eventually be in the written law. So why would you want to do the commands of the law of Moses that have nothing to do with your culture and another age with lesser revelation than we do today? You are trying to say to do the commandments and make exception for the sacrificial part because you know you cannot deny that Christ is the new testament in his blood. You ignore full context of the covenant and this is what you do not understand. This chapter contrast the law of Moses and the new covenant that had the promise from Abraham and could not keep it from coming to pass and the angels were the mediator of the old covenant and the new covenant mediator was Christ and is another reason why the two covenants are different.

7. Chapter 4; Galatians 4:4 God sent his son made of a woman under the law. Paul shows the contrast of the two different covenants in the allegory of the sons of the bond maid and the freewoman. The bond maid's son was Ishmael and Isaac was the son of the freewoman. The law represents the struggle and the son would not be the heir. The liberty would be the son of the freewoman.

8. Chapter 5 is about standing in the law of liberty which represents the new covenant and not the yoke of bondage that represents the law of Moses. It also speaks of living in the Spirit which is under the new covenant and not the old covenant of law which because of the weakness of the commandment was taken advantage of the law that was holy and good and made the jew live to the frailty of man and sin. If one is stays under this mentality and lifestyle they will not inherit the KOG. These works of the flesh are not to be our character for the fruits of the Spirit are to be our character. This is another contrast of the new covenant versus the old covenant and why the new covenant was built on better promises.

9. Chapter 6 is about restoration and not being deceived because God is not mocked for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that woeth to his flesh shall of the fles reap corruption: but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6:12 says; As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised: only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. Those law keepers were proud and were violent and they didn't want to be a believer because they knew they would be persecuted for the cross of Christ. Jesus said they would be persecuted for the cross because the cross is an offence to the gospel. So Paul is in harmony with Christ.

10. Goodies? What goodies?

11. Peter was a jew culturally under the law and after the law. He didn't expect the gentiles to be jews in Acts 15 because he didn't want him to be under the yoke of bondage which was the law. This is why at the council they said as long as the gentiles abstain from meats offered to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Even jewish men and jewish woman could not keep the law the same in every respect.
I understand the mindset of the jewish thinking of the law not being abolished and why they say that. Listen, a gentile could keep dietary laws and that would not be a sin if they do it for good health. That is common sense. However, the jews had to keep these laws or else suffer specific judgements. Everything was basically geared towards trying to be justified such as the case of being physically circumcised which is not required for a jew or gentile under the new covenant. However, there is nothing wrong with being physically circumcised for either party. The correct context will harmonize with the details and vice versa.

12. Blessings and curses from the old testament are different than in the new covenant. Another words Paul said about giving of necessity and begrudgingly etc. This was the mentality of the law.
He said if you sow sparingly you will reap sparingly and if you sow bountifully you will reap bountifully. The principle is the same for the old covenant and the new covenant. They are different in the specific judgements of the old versus the new covenant which don't have the specific judgements.
Malachi talks about the children of Israel robbing God of tithes and the priests were defiling the temple and they would incur the judgement of the under the law and how the devourer would destroy the fruits of the ground.

13. If they obeyed God and brought the tithes God would bless them and all nations shall call you blessed. This is all in conjunction with the overall context of the KOH and the KOG message and being at the head of the nations and the specific blessings and cursing system which the church is not under.
If we don't tithe we could not be blessed or not blessed as much but there are some who are smart business people and don't tithe and still flourish financially.

14. Disobedience has consequences whether under the old covenant or the new covenant. You sow what you reap is still effect in principle but is different under the old covenant and the new covenant. It was in effect before the law. Cain gave the wrong offering and God was not pleased and he was not blessed and God didn't accept it. There was no law of murder though it was a sin and God gave him a mark of protection and not a specific judgement of death like under the Mosaic law.

15. Jesus was teaching the law about adultery because they were not to covet a neighbor's wife etc. He was not teaching anything new but he was exposing their true heart that was defiled because the jews were backslidden in their covenant and that is what being accepted into the KOH reign was all about. Matthew 4:17; REPENT for the KOH is at hand.

16. Stoning to death was done away and so was condemnation. Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation in Christ Jesus. Paul said this after he explained the weakness of the law of Moses that was holy and good but was taken advantage of by the law of sin and death that made them live to the frailty of man and sin. Mixing law and grace together causes the struggle of defeat mentality and destroys the effect of the cross of Christ.

17. I already addressed disobedience and sowing and reaping principles were before, during, and after the law. The new covenant gives no license for sin and is built on better promises than the old covenant to prevent this.

18. A true believer follows Jesus and his death and resurrection which is the true gospel. Jesus said this and Paul says this.
The KOH and the KOG message is the whole of the message in Jesus teachings to the jews.
The new covenant has workers but not in self effort as under the old covenant of law. There is no greater example of failure than Israel. It was because of the weakness of the commandment which was because the commandments could only say, "THOU SHALT NOT" BUT NOT HELP THE LAW KEEPER PERFORM THE COMMANDMENT. CHRIST THE ENDLESS LIFE CAN HELP PERFORM THE COMMANDMENT!. ONLY CHRIST THE ENDLESS LIFE CAN SAVE US AND NOT THE INABILITY OF KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LAW BECAUSE OF THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH BEING ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LAW THAT WAS HOLY AND GOOD AND MAKE PEOPLE LIVE TO THE BONDAGE OF SIN AND CONTINUE IN THE STRUGGLE OF DEFEAT AND ITS MENTALITY.

YOUR BELIEF OF CONCEPTS OF INACTION SHOW THAT YOU ARE A LAW KEEPER AND HAVE FAITH IN THE ABILITY TO KEEP COMMANDMENTS INSTEAD OF FAITH IN THE ENDLESS LIFE TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. JERRY KELSO
 
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Let's try dealing with one issue at a time and expanding on that post-by-post, and not having 100 issues that are all over the place.

No man can serve 2 masters, you cannot serve God and a human... You twist Jesus' words, all Jesus said was that since Caesars image was on the coin it is proof it is his and if it is his, give it back to him, but Jesus in no way answered the question by saying to pay taxes and support the evil that government does. Jesus clearly said HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE. You cannot serve two governments: the government of God and the Government of man.

1Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

God clearly stated to Samuel that by having a man as a king the children of Israel rejected God that HE should NOT Rule over them. Paul contradicted not only Jesus' words, but Samuel's also. You don't seem to care at all about Jesus' words being contradicted, all you seem to care about is protecting your belief that the bible is God's word and to BLINDLY go on trying to embrace the parts you want to protect, against the things you reject.

Well put. Mahatma Gandhi was very much influenced by the Sermon on the Mount and 'Kingdom of God is within you' by Leo Tolstoy. I have read Tolstoy's book twice. Not a single verse of Paul in his entire book of about 600 pages (Kingdom of God and other essays)
 
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No it's not. You said that you don't rely on the works of the law, but didn't answer what it means to rely on the works of the law.

Paul says that "whoever relies on the works of the law is under a curse..." The book you constantly quote says that whoever relies on the works of the law is not under a curse.

So I ask you again, what does it mean to rely on the works of the law?

You are asking my opinion. So I rely on the spiritual aspects of the works of the Law.
 
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I have made my position clear. Exclusive reference to Paul unsupported by other writers will not be valid when it comes to important theological concepts.

Righttruth,
The only thing that you made clear is that your personal opinion trumps spiritual backup and context of all the scriptures to harmonize together.
Exclusive reference to Paul is the old testament scripture and is completely valid.
The old testament scriptures were in types and shadows for the most part but it still had about the abolishment of the Mosaic law and the bringing in a new covenant in Christ blood being the new testament and his death, burial and resurrection is the one true gospel of which Jesus and Paul agree on.
You prove your wrong theological concept by giving them instead of scriptural context. Jerry kelso
 
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Well put. Mahatma Gandhi was very much influenced by the Sermon on the Mount and 'Kingdom of God is within you' by Leo Tolstoy. I have read Tolstoy's book twice. Not a single verse of Paul in his entire book of about 600 pages (Kingdom of God and other essays)

righttruth,

Gandhi was a hindu and did not believe in the gospel to be saved. So not mentioning Paul's writing not being mentioned is irrelevant and would expose his ignorance. The only KOG within Gandhi and Tolstoy was themselves as a God. This shows your ignorance as in lack of knowledge and your hypocrisy in making accusations about using outside sources and man made philosophies.
Once again your position is a walking contradiction to the biblical truth and to the dishonesty of your own hypocritical statements and lack of knowledge about the truth and the context of the scriptures. Jerry kelso
 
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You are asking my opinion. So I rely on the spiritual aspects of the works of the Law.
Another dodge.

Let me put the question to you this way.

Without altering or in any other way reading into the phrase "rely on the works of the law," what does it mean to rely on the works of the law?
 
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I'd have to argue that point as it seems that 'we' were 'protected for our own good' and should have stuck to partaking only from the tree of life, but instead the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil was chosen and then we were exposed to both sides that existed.

I'm not sure of your understanding here. According to how the words are translated, confusion and blindness are two different things;but both seem to be reserved for those who are not Gods people. OTOH, there is that passage that says :And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.:

But that again looks to me like it's speaking about Unbelievers.

What do you think God has limited us from knowing?
The limit is ours. God has limited revealing all truth, that it should not come except in His good time, i.e. that all should be sustained until the fullness of time. This He has done to His chosen, as well as to the gentiles.
 
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This was a time specific prophecy, not a word to establish all governments and all kingdoms as ministers of God.

Daniels vision is one that is fulfilled in revelation. So its all very relevant. You don't understand what ministers of God are in this sense. They dont minister to the Church, but to the world.
 
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The only written word of God is the Ten Commandments.

So you don't believe the prophets who spoke the word of the Lord through the Holy Spirit, and were sometimes instructed to write it down?
Jesus believed the OT; over and over again he said, "it is written" or "I must do this because it is written" or "the Scriptures say". Yet you imply that the written Scriptures that he quoted are not the word of God.

The final revelations of God came through Jesus.

Jesus IS the Word of God - the living word who became flesh.

Therefore, His words are of paramount importance.

Not paramount; a word from the LORD is a word from the LORD. Jesus was the embodiment of all that God is; love, Saviour, compassionate, cares for the underprivileged etc.
OT prophets spoke words from the Lord inspired by the Spirit of the Lord. We shouldn't exalt Paul or any human writer over Jesus, and Paul would not have wanted us to anyway. But that doesn't mean we go to the other extreme and disregard their words altogether.

Anything that deviates should be rejected. If something is not even supported from other sources, the concept should be suspected and better discarded.

Well that tells me that you reject the sovereignty, authority and inerrancy of Scripture and it's probably not worth continuing this debate.

I don't need sugar coated candies of Paul to love Christ.

If you want to call a revelation about God a "sugar coated candy" then there's nothing else I can say. I get the impression that you would accept these teachings if they were given by Peter or John - anyone but Paul.
 
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Another dodge.

Let me put the question to you this way.

Without altering or in any other way reading into the phrase "rely on the works of the law," what does it mean to rely on the works of the law?

If Jesus is the KING of kings and the LORD of lords and those rulers all walk against Jesus' teachings on loving your enemies and forgiveness and treating people with equality, etc., how are they ministers of God: when they walk contrary to God's Son's Authority?
 
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If Jesus is the KING of kings and the LORD of lords and those rulers all walk against Jesus' teachings on loving your enemies and forgiveness and treating people with equality, etc., how are they ministers of God: when they walk contrary to God's Son's Authority?

The Romans, which paul referred to in Romans 13, were not Christ like. Neither were the Babylonians. There is a great spiritual truth behind it all. This world is not Gods kingdom. There is a made distinction between the world and Gods kingdom.
 
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The analysis and views of the seminary student seeking truth are as good as mine.
Then you have nothing to say personally?
And it is sad that your author cannot be here for correction.


But hey, that's fine.
 
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1. I am wrong about what? I never said jews didn't think about the need for sacrifices or anything like that. The truth is some do and the Messianics don't that believe in the new covenant. The nation is preparing for this and to build the temple too. Many jews are atheist too. Jews can't even do sacrifices right now and I never said different and is not under the new covenant.
Your basis for saying this is most likely because I said you are living under the law mentality or something to that effect.

There are different groups in Messianic Jews. Jews are also divided. Hard core Jews want the temple to be built and sacrifices to be started all over again. They are supported by deluded Christians. Some Pentecostal people are jumping up and down and speak out incoherently with shouts proclaiming that their misunderstanding of the Revelation is going to be fulfilled.

2. Have you ever disrespected your parent growing up? Did you have a mandatory judgement of stoning? These laws were there for the jews to obey to show that they loved God more than anyone including their children and spouse. This was the job of the civil law leaders and was not Jesus job because he was to seek and save that which was lost. This is why he exposed the hypocrisy of the leaders when he said, he without sin cast the first stone and told the accused woman, neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more.

Don't pass the buck to civil leaders for religious requirement. Now the trend is ignoring the parents and humiliating them with Paul's stance of showing concessions to children.

3. As far as one sin damning to hell depends on if it is a death penalty sin and if one does not ask for forgiveness. The works of sin that will be damned and for what will not be able to enter the KOH is found in Galatians 5:19-21. Paul was speaking to christians who were not walking in the Spirit and fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. He was speaking to those who were not being led by the Spirit but living the law. This law was the law of Moses mentality that was taken advantage of by the law of sin and death and made them live in sin.

Paul's letters were to Gentiles who never knew about the Law.

4. This goes back to Romans 7 and it is the context of Galatians and was another gospel that Paul talked about in the 1st chapter. In the 2nd chapter he talks about receiving his revelation and how James, Peter and John sanctioned Paul and what he had received as being given the grace of God's truth. He also called down Peter and the others walked not according to the truth of the gospel and reprimanded them because of respect of persons. They were trying to justify themselves by the works of the law and they were to be dead to the law of Moses works. Jews had this mentality to a certain point before because they had the covenants and they would be the head of the nations and until Peter had the vision of the unclean and clean they didn't understand that Calvary was about completely breaking down the wall of partition. Galatians was after Peter had been given the vision and he knew better and Paul kept him accountable. Peter sinned but he didn't go to hell.

There is only one Gospel. Paul never knew much of the Gospel. He had heard about it when he stayed with Peter and probably from others. Peter didn't sin by identifying with Judaizers; it was a mistake in the initial stages of spiritual growth.

5. Chapter 3 Works of the law are under the curse. If you just take this as not doing the commandments of some things wouldn't make any sense. This is what people believe that believe about doing the commandments. Not sinning is always in effect. We are always to be respectful to our parents and not commit murder and adultery and not have other God before us etc. Christians commit these but they don't have the same judgement.

You are accusing God for giving Law that would help people to avoid the curse. Law itself is not curse. As I said before Christians may not be stoned to death for transgressing the Law, but will have eternal damnation to face with.

6. The people before the law were to do commandments of whatever their revelation of God was. But you wouldn't say we live under just the law of our conscience alone that happened to eventually be in the written law. So why would you want to do the commands of the law of Moses that have nothing to do with your culture and another age with lesser revelation than we do today? You are trying to say to do the commandments and make exception for the sacrificial part because you know you cannot deny that Christ is the new testament in his blood. You ignore full context of the covenant and this is what you do not understand. This chapter contrast the law of Moses and the new covenant that had the promise from Abraham and could not keep it from coming to pass and the angels were the mediator of the old covenant and the new covenant mediator was Christ and is another reason why the two covenants are different.

Keeping the spirit of the Law is not according to our conscience. The new covenant is much spiritually relevant understanding of the Law without the outward observance and rituals. Do you think the Lord who was observing the Passover preparations will come up with totally different covenant? He showed a highly improved and spiritually meaningful observance that pleases God.

7. Chapter 4; Galatians 4:4 God sent his son made of a woman under the law. Paul shows the contrast of the two different covenants in the allegory of the sons of the bond maid and the freewoman. The bond maid's son was Ishmael and Isaac was the son of the freewoman. The law represents the struggle and the son would not be the heir. The liberty would be the son of the freewoman.

These distinctions are not part of salvation. They may only breed hatred between races.

8. Chapter 5 is about standing in the law of liberty which represents the new covenant and not the yoke of bondage that represents the law of Moses. It also speaks of living in the Spirit which is under the new covenant and not the old covenant of law which because of the weakness of the commandment was taken advantage of the law that was holy and good and made the jew live to the frailty of man and sin. If one is stays under this mentality and lifestyle they will not inherit the KOG. These works of the flesh are not to be our character for the fruits of the Spirit are to be our character. This is another contrast of the new covenant versus the old covenant and why the new covenant was built on better promises.

You say there was a weakness in the commandment? New covenant has promises and also sufferings that go with that.

9. Chapter 6 is about restoration and not being deceived because God is not mocked for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that woeth to his flesh shall of the fles reap corruption: but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6:12 says; As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised: only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. Those law keepers were proud and were violent and they didn't want to be a believer because they knew they would be persecuted for the cross of Christ. Jesus said they would be persecuted for the cross because the cross is an offence to the gospel. So Paul is in harmony with Christ.

Are you alright? Can cross become an offense to the Gospel. Paul had his own plans. Neither he was in harmony with Christ nor with the Gospel.

10. Goodies? What goodies?

Paul's speculations that lead to all kinds convenient concepts.

11. Peter was a jew culturally under the law and after the law. He didn't expect the gentiles to be jews in Acts 15 because he didn't want him to be under the yoke of bondage which was the law. This is why at the council they said as long as the gentiles abstain from meats offered to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Even jewish men and jewish woman could not keep the law the same in every respect.

Was not Paul a Jew?

13. If they obeyed God and brought the tithes God would bless them and all nations shall call you blessed. This is all in conjunction with the overall context of the KOH and the KOG message and being at the head of the nations and the specific blessings and cursing system which the church is not under.
If we don't tithe we could not be blessed or not blessed as much but there are some who are smart business people and don't tithe and still flourish financially.

You appear to be obsessed with KOH and KOG without giving importantance to the life related to Jesus.

16. Stoning to death was done away and so was condemnation. Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation in Christ Jesus. Paul said this after he explained the weakness of the law of Moses that was holy and good but was taken advantage of by the law of sin and death that made them live to the frailty of man and sin. Mixing law and grace together causes the struggle of defeat mentality and destroys the effect of the cross of Christ.

This is typical piece-wise understanding of Paul's verse. Mature people quote the full verse:
Romans 8:
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


18. A true believer follows Jesus and his death and resurrection which is the true gospel. Jesus said this and Paul says this.
The KOH and the KOG message is the whole of the message in Jesus teachings to the jews.

YOUR BELIEF OF CONCEPTS OF INACTION SHOW THAT YOU ARE A LAW KEEPER AND HAVE FAITH IN THE ABILITY TO KEEP COMMANDMENTS INSTEAD OF FAITH IN THE ENDLESS LIFE TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. JERRY KELSO

Let me remind you that I am not a Jew. Unless you come out of your shell of KOH & KOG, you can never experience the freedom of knowing the truth.
 
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Righttruth,
The only thing that you made clear is that your personal opinion trumps spiritual backup and context of all the scriptures to harmonize together.
Exclusive reference to Paul is the old testament scripture and is completely valid.
The old testament scriptures were in types and shadows for the most part but it still had about the abolishment of the Mosaic law and the bringing in a new covenant in Christ blood being the new testament and his death, burial and resurrection is the one true gospel of which Jesus and Paul agree on.
You prove your wrong theological concept by giving them instead of scriptural context. Jerry kelso

Your take that Gospel is nothing but death and resurrection conforms well with the ignorant Paul.
 
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Gandhi was a hindu and did not believe in the gospel to be saved. So not mentioning Paul's writing not being mentioned is irrelevant and would expose his ignorance. The only KOG within Gandhi and Tolstoy was themselves as a God. This shows your ignorance as in lack of knowledge and your hypocrisy in making accusations about using outside sources and man made philosophies.
Once again your position is a walking contradiction to the biblical truth and to the dishonesty of your own hypocritical statements and lack of knowledge about the truth and the context of the scriptures. Jerry kelso

Your repetitions of KOH & KOG and death and resurrection show your ignorance of the words of Jesus and His life.
 
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If Jesus is the KING of kings and the LORD of lords and those rulers all walk against Jesus' teachings on loving your enemies and forgiveness and treating people with equality, etc., how are they ministers of God: when they walk contrary to God's Son's Authority?

First of all, why are you replying to this post? It was a question directed at another poster.

Secondly, I point you back to my previous post. Jesus, the prophets, and the apostles all confirm that the authority of rulers, governors, etc. is from God.
 
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Another dodge.

Let me put the question to you this way.

Without altering or in any other way reading into the phrase "rely on the works of the law," what does it mean to rely on the works of the law?

Jesus preached with simple statements, and he did not indulge in play of words. Why should I do that for your sake?
 
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Your take that Gospel is nothing but death and resurrection conforms well with the ignorant Paul.

I think Paul, and the rest of the apostles, were speaking about mysteries in many of their writings, they were talking about things that God foretold in the OT prophets and in Revelation. Thats why Pauls words are so hard to understand, because they are talking about things that people still dont grasp fully, in my opinion. I believe that if a person obeys and meditates on the Lords words, as well as pauls, then they can better understand these mysteries which span the entire bible. In my opinion, based on limited understanding thus far
 
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