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If that is your preference,
Not sure what you mean by that ?Is there any verses saying that angels appear like women ?If there is no women angels in Heaven that may explain why the fallen angels have find the human women so attractive...

and yes, they do have something to hide.-----Appear human----is not the same thing as actually being human. Angels are of a higher order than us. They appear human to not draw attention to themselves, to blend in with the rest of humanity.(Heb 13:2 KJV) " Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Angels are also described as being able to eat the same foods that humans eat .... ..../and it is said that manna is Angels' food.
We are talking about FALLEN ANGELS who have not keep their first estate Jude 1:6 meaning that they have chosen a lower order to have sex with human women...that is why God have not spared them...and reserved them for the hour of judgement.

Jude 1:6
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
 
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They rebelled against God in heaven. Lucifer wanted to be God. He was staging a coup, in other words, trying to usurp the throne of God. He was caste out of heaven and he took 1/3 of them with him----Satan was the serpent in the Garden of Eden. He and his minions were thrown our before creation started. There were no women yet for them to have fallen for. They did not chose to be a lower order---0they were thrown out of heaven. Nothing in the bible states that they were changed to a lower being, just that they are bound to this earth until judgement day. They have no actual human bodies---it is why they can only "possess" humans. Jesus and the disciples caste them out of people. They can posses other creatures, like the serpent in the garden of Eden, and the pigs that Jesus caste them into.
 
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They rebelled against God in heaven. Lucifer wanted to be God. He was staging a coup, in other words, trying to usurp the throne of God. He was caste out of heaven and he took 1/3 of them with him----Satan was the serpent in the Garden of Eden. He and his minions were thrown our before creation started. There were no women yet for them to have fallen for. They did not chose to be a lower order---0they were thrown out of heaven. Nothing in the bible states that they were changed to a lower being, just that they are bound to this earth until judgement day. They have no actual human bodies---it is why they can only "possess" humans. Jesus and the disciples caste them out of people. They can posses other creatures, like the serpent in the garden of Eden, and the pigs that Jesus caste them into.

Jude 1:6
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


You are mixing three different things,
1-the rebellion of Satan against God which have happened long before the creation of the Human race.

2-the angels which kept not their first estate Jude 1:6 ...Genesis 6

3-Satan and his angels thrown out of Heaven during the Tribulation mentionned in Revelation 12 and Revelation 13
 
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The only angels thrown our of heaven are Satan (who was once Lucifer) and those who followed him. Those are the same ones---Rev is not talking about a future tribulation when it's talking about those angels--it is referencing back to when they were caste out.
(Rev 12:4 KJV) And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(Rev 12:5 KJV) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

They were caste out---and the dragon--Satan--stood before the woman ready to be delivered to devour her child----Christ!

You are saying that Satan was thrown our of heaven the first time (your #1)
Then they are thrown our again during the tribulation--(your #3)
and in the meantime, another group was thrown out (or in your case, they chose to leave heaven to have sex with women)--

So when did Satan and his 1/3 get back into heaven in order for them to be caste out again during the tribulation??? When they were caste out the first time they stayed out
(Rev 12:7 KJV) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
(Rev 12:8 KJV) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
 
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Oh--yah--the second group---they left of their own volition to sleep with women---they had not fallen, according to you, until they saw the human women and then they left to have sex with them. Jesus said in heaven angels do not marry--what makes you think God made them able to have sex with women that had not yet been created?? There are no verses in the bible about female angels. Satan and his 1/3 had already been thrown out, but now a bunch more driven by lust, leave heaven also??!!! God must have been left with just a skeleton crew. And they left heaven, where it was beautiful, where the tree of life is, where God himself sits where the perfection of everything is beyond what we can imagine in order to come to a world that God had cursed, where everything eventually dies, decays, grows old and for what--to have sex with women----women that were at least half their size. Well, I can't say as I blame them---they had been created long before any females--only male angels around, they can't have sex with them--God not liking homosexuality--so they must have been up there just going totally insane not knowing what to with themselves for possibly millions of years lusting after what they did not know about until the first human women were born and grew up and then wow--Finally, they knew what they had and what to do with it!! Makes you feel downright sorry for the poor things.
 
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Oh--yah--the second group---they left of their own volition to sleep with women---they had not fallen, according to you, until they saw the human women and then they left to have sex with them. Jesus said in heaven angels do not marry--what makes you think God made them able to have sex with women that had not yet been created??
That is not a second group ...they were already fallen angels who have followed Lucifer in the rebellion.Some of these fallen angels have LATER accepted to left of their own volition to sleep with women because it was part of Satan's intervention to interfere with God's plan.

The nature of their sin is stated to be "in like manner" to that of the subsequent sins of Sodom and Gomorrha, Jude:6-7
The time of their SIN is given as having taken place "in the days of Noah" (1Peter 3:20. 2Peter 2:7), though there may have been a prior fall which caused the end of "the world that then was" (Genesis 1:1, 2. 2Peter 3:6).
For this sin they are "reserved unto judgement", 2Peter 2:4, and are "in prison", 1Peter 3:19.
Their progeny, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and, being superhuman in size and character, had to be destroyed (see Appendix 25). This was the one and only object of the Flood.
Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Genesis 6:9 see note). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath) destroyed [as Adamites]. The only remedy was to destroy it (de facto), as it had become destroyed (de jure). (It is the same word in verse 17 as in verses 11, 12.) See futher under Appendix 25 on the Nephilim.
This irruption of fallen angels was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in Genesis 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and his own doom would be averted.
As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Genesis 6:4, "and also after that" (that is to say, after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Genesis 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (that is to say, already) in the land."

http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app23.html

http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app25.html

There are no verses in the bible about female angels.
That is right.
Satan and his 1/3 had already been thrown out, but now a bunch more driven by lust, leave heaven also??!!! God must have been left with just a skeleton crew. And they left heaven, where it was beautiful, where the tree of life is, where God himself sits where the perfection of everything is beyond what we can imagine in order to come to a world that God had cursed, where everything eventually dies, decays, grows old and for what--to have sex with women----women that were at least half their size.
Can you provide a verse saying that angels are twice the size of humans ?
Everytime angels are seen they are always reported as being of normal size looking human
The Bible tell us that effecetively that they kept not their first estate and have left their first habitation -Heaven- to do that...that is the thing that some of these fallen angels have willingly accepted to do.

Well, I can't say as I blame them---they had been created long before any females--only male angels around, they can't have sex with them--God not liking homosexuality--so they must have been up there just going totally insane not knowing what to with themselves for possibly millions of years lusting after what they did not know about until the first human women were born and grew up and then wow--Finally, they knew what they had and what to do with it!! Makes you feel downright sorry for the poor things.
Remember that this was part of a plan made by Lucifer to interfere with God's plan of Salvation.

http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app23.html

http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app25.html
 
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Peat and repeat-----from post # 56
The in thing today is to link the angels with the fornicating---but that is not what it says. Look at the whole passage.

(Jud 1:3 KJV) Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
(Jud 1:4 KJV) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(Jud 1:5 KJV) I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
(Jud 1:6 KJV) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
(Jud 1:7 KJV) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
(Jud 1:8 KJV) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

First of all, this is being written to exhort the believers to fight (contend) for the faith that they had been first delivered to them---BECAUSE

(Jud 1:4 KJV) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Then he says he will have them remember that although God delivered the people out of Egypt, He
"afterward destroyed them that believed not."
and then to also remember the angels who left their first estate--their own habitation --
"he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

And Even Sodom and Gommorah
"and the cities about them in like manner," ----it wasn't only just those 2 cities--it was "the cities about them in like manner"
"giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

The "in like manner" is in no way referring to the angels, but to the other cities around Sodom and Gomorrah
 
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Can you provide a verse saying that angels are twice the size of humans ?
Everytime angels are seen they are always reported as being of normal size looking human
The Bible tell us that effecetively that they kept not their first estate and have left their first habitation -Heaven- to do that...that is the thing that some of these fallen angels have willingly accepted to do.

There is nothing stating the height of angels or Adam and Eve and their children. See--it's you guys that are stating that these giants are the result of humans crossbreeding with giants. You (adherents to this theory)are saying that Adam and Eve and their children are of average height as todays humans. Nothing in the bible says how tall the angels are. There is much about how tall these giants are. So--normal sized women, are mating with normal, human sized angels--but they are producing these giants. So the question arises of how do 2 regular sized individuals produce giants that are at least twice the size of their parents if neither have a giant gene to pass on? So then, of course, has to come the notion that the angels are the giants compared to women--which opens up another can of worms---I am not the one stating these measurements other than to say that the giants are simply the product of Adam and Eve as they were tall and that the Nephilim do not have to be a product of fallen angels crossbreeding with women, which really is not mentioned in the bible it is in the book of Enoch. Nephilim means giants, to fall, or abort, or figures of authority. What they are not referred to is angels. The Nephilim is not the name of the group of fallen angels, it is the name of the children produced by angels and hummans--which then contradicts the scriptures themselves for it plainly says that the Nephilim existed before and after the union of the Nephilim with the daughters of men---Talk about convoluted!!!!
Genesis 6:4
the Nephilim existed in the land in those days and also afterward, when the sons of the Elohiym came to the daughters of the human, and they brought forth children for them, they are the courageous ones which are from a distant time, men of the title,

http://www.mechanical-translation.org/mt/translation6.html

And as for the sons of God thing---that was addressed in post #31----

I have also asked why none of the progeny of these fallen angels had wings, that would have been part of the DNA of these angels--and not all angels have wings, however, at least Satan had them as he was a covering cherub and they have 2 wings. He was not the only cherubim and there are seraphim's also, they have 6 wings---but that was explained away by coming up with---only wingless angels fathered children---ok---I guess the rest just got left out of the fun. So, normal sized humans, mate with normal sized angels and produce giants that nobody has a genetic trait for, but the one trait of wings is not passed on as they did not mate, or that trait just didn't get passed on---and that brings you up to date. Oh, who had the 6 fingers to pass on, the angels or the humans?? And again----where did short people come from? I suggested short fallen angels, however, short people are not really mentioned until Jesus and Zacchaeus. I guess that height will have to be accounted for by--of all things---genetics.
 
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Peat and repeat-----from post # 56

Peat and repeat-----from post # 56

mmksparbud said: ↑

The in thing today is to link the angels with the fornicating---but that is not what it says. Look at the whole passage.

It not the "in thing" it is what the passage actually says.

(Jud 1:3 KJV) Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Topic faith delivered to the saints.

(Jud 1:4 KJV) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Topic ungodly men denying Christ.

(Jud 1:5 KJV) I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Topic people out of Egypt.

(Jud 1:6 KJV) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Topic angels which kept not their first estate and fell.

(Jud 1:7 KJV) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them (just like Sodom and Gomarrha and the cities about them) in like manner, giving themselves (themselves still the angels) over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, (the angels sin also referred to in 2 Peter 2:4) are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Still talking about the angels)

(Jud 1:8 KJV) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

LIKEWISE ALSO these filthy dreamers refers to the “men crept in unawares” of verse 4 who sinned like the angels by defiling the flesh.


First of all, this is being written to exhort the believers to fight (contend) for the faith that they had been first delivered to them---BECAUSE


(Jud 1:4 KJV) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


Then he says he will have them remember that although God delivered the people out of Egypt, He

"afterward destroyed them that believed not."

and then to also remember the angels who left their first estate--their own habitation --

"he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."


And Even Sodom and Gommorah

"and the cities about them in like manner," ----it wasn't only just those 2 cities--it was "the cities about them in like manner"

“Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them” One phrase you are trying to separate to make your theory sound credible. Gomarrha is joined to Sodom by the word “and”, cities about them is joined to Gomarrha as well by the word “and” this is 1 phrase, 1 thought. Like manner refers to the sin commited, and the topic of Jude 6 and 7 is the angels. Verse 8 “like wise also” compares the filthy dreamers of Jude 4 to the angels of verse 6&7.

"giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

This is the angels.

The "in like manner" is in no way referring to the angels, but to the other cities around Sodom and Gomorrah

I have just shown it is referring to the angels.This is only your opinion because you cannot allow it to be so or you rebuttal fails.
 
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There is nothing stating the height of angels or Adam and Eve and their children. See--it's you guys that are stating that these giants are the result of humans crossbreeding with giants. You (adherents to this theory)are saying that Adam and Eve and their children are of average height as todays humans. Nothing in the bible says how tall the angels are. There is much about how tall these giants are. So--normal sized women, are mating with normal, human sized angels--but they are producing these giants. So the question arises of how do 2 regular sized individuals produce giants that are at least twice the size of their parents if neither have a giant gene to pass on? So then, of course, has to come the notion that the angels are the giants compared to women--which opens up another can of worms---I am not the one stating these measurements other than to say that the giants are simply the product of Adam and Eve as they were tall and that the Nephilim do not have to be a product of fallen angels crossbreeding with women, which really is not mentioned in the bible it is in the book of Enoch. Nephilim means giants, to fall, or abort, or figures of authority. What they are not referred to is angels. The Nephilim is not the name of the group of fallen angels, it is the name of the children produced by angels and hummans--which then contradicts the scriptures themselves for it plainly says that the Nephilim existed before and after the union of the Nephilim with the daughters of men---Talk about convoluted!!!!
Genesis 6:4
the Nephilim existed in the land in those days and also afterward, when the sons of the Elohiym came to the daughters of the human, and they brought forth children for them, they are the courageous ones which are from a distant time, men of the title,

http://www.mechanical-translation.org/mt/translation6.html

And as for the sons of God thing---that was addressed in post #31----

I have also asked why none of the progeny of these fallen angels had wings, that would have been part of the DNA of these angels--and not all angels have wings, however, at least Satan had them as he was a covering cherub and they have 2 wings. He was not the only cherubim and there are seraphim's also, they have 6 wings---but that was explained away by coming up with---only wingless angels fathered children---ok---I guess the rest just got left out of the fun. So, normal sized humans, mate with normal sized angels and produce giants that nobody has a genetic trait for, but the one trait of wings is not passed on as they did not mate, or that trait just didn't get passed on---and that brings you up to date. Oh, who had the 6 fingers to pass on, the angels or the humans?? And again----where did short people come from? I suggested short fallen angels, however, short people are not really mentioned until Jesus and Zacchaeus. I guess that height will have to be accounted for by--of all things---genetics.

Mmksparbud from post #189

Nephilim means giants, to fall, or abort, or figures of authority.What they are not referred to is angels. The Nephilim is not the name of the group of fallen angels, it is the name of the children produced by angels and hummans

True

--which then contradicts the scriptures themselves for it plainly says that the Nephilim existed before and after the union of the Nephilim with the daughters of men---

Not True

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; (in those days refers verses 1 &2 which is when “sons of God” took wives, not all the days from Adam and Eve up until that point as you try to suggest to make this work out for you.) and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


Talk about convoluted!!!!

Not convoluted if you will just let it say what it says.


I have also asked why none of the progeny of these fallen angels had wings, that would have been part of the DNA of these angels—

Already been addressed

and not all angels have wings, however, at least Satan had them as he was a covering cherub and they have 2 wings.

Satan is not the topic here.

He was not the only cherubim and there are seraphim's also, they have 6 wings---

So you do believe the 4 beasts of Revelation are real creatures ?

but that was explained away by coming up with---only wingless angels fathered children---ok---I guess the rest just got left out of the fun.

That could be true.

So, normal sized humans, mate with normal sized angels

Makes more sense that Godly men mating with ungodly women and producing giants. Oh yea I forgot they were all tall anyway.

and produce giants that nobody has a genetic trait for, but the one trait of wings is not passed on

Where did you get your degree in DNA analysis?

as they did not mate, or that trait just didn't get passed on---and that brings you up to date. Oh, who had the 6 fingers to pass on, the angels or the humans??

How many humans do you know with six fingers ? It’s not my fault scripture says they did.

And again----where did short people come from? I suggested short fallen angels, however, short people are not really mentioned until Jesus and Zacchaeus. I guess that height will have to be accounted for by--of all things---genetics.

You are really not do a very good job trying to explain a serious topic in scripture with all of this human reasoning , but I’ll play along.
 
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They rebelled against God in heaven. Lucifer wanted to be God. He was staging a coup, in other words, trying to usurp the throne of God. He was caste out of heaven and he took 1/3 of them with him----Satan was the serpent in the Garden of Eden. He and his minions were thrown our before creation started. There were no women yet for them to have fallen for. They did not chose to be a lower order---0they were thrown out of heaven. Nothing in the bible states that they were changed to a lower being, just that they are bound to this earth until judgement day. They have no actual human bodies---it is why they can only "possess" humans. Jesus and the disciples caste them out of people. They can posses other creatures, like the serpent in the garden of Eden, and the pigs that Jesus caste them into.

Mmksparbud Post #183

They rebelled against God in heaven. Lucifer wanted to be God. He was staging a coup, in other words, trying to usurp the throne of God. He was caste out of heaven and he took 1/3 of them with him----Satan was the serpent in the Garden of Eden. He and his minions were thrown our before creation started.

True

There were no women yet for them to have fallen for. They did not chose to be a lower order---0they were thrown out of heaven. Nothing in the bible states that they were changed to a lower being,

Maybe spend some time studying and then try to explain this chapter.

Psalm 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.


2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.


3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.


4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.


5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.


6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.


7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

God is not talking to men on this earth, of course we will all die like men.


8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.


When they fell things did change for them, in some sense they were a lower order, who will die like men.


just that they are bound to this earth until judgement day. They have no actual human bodies---

Not human but they are no longer immortal.

it is why they can only "possess" humans. Jesus and the disciples caste them out of people.

Absolutely false. See Post # 126

They can posses other creatures, like the serpent in the garden of Eden, and the pigs that Jesus caste them into.

What happened in the garden of Eden is not what happened when the demons were cast into the pigs.

Fallen angels are not demons they are fallen angels! Demons are evil spirits without bodies angels fallen or not have bodies.
 
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Genesis 6:4
the Nephilim existed in the land in those days and also afterward, when the sons of the Elohiym came to the daughters of the human, and they brought forth children for them, they are the courageous ones which are from a distant time, men of the title,


http://www.mechanical-translation.org/mt/translation6.html



Encyclopedia Judaica:
Nephilim

Ancient Jewish History: Table of Contents | History of Judaism | Khazars

NEPHILIM (Heb. נְפִילִים), a race of giants said to have dwelt in pre-Israelite Canaan (Num. 13:33). Genesis 6:1–2 relates that the "sons of gods," i.e., divine or angelic beings, took mortal wives; verse 4 continues, "It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared [lit., were] on earth–when the divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were the heroes [Heb. gibborim] of old, the men of renown." This could mean that the Nephilim were contemporaneous, but not identical, with the offspring of divine beings and earthly women, who were called gibborim (so, e.g., Morgenstern, in HUCA 14 (1939), 85ff.). The above translation, however, follows an ancient tradition in equating the Nephilim and the gibborim as offspring of the union of *angels and mortals .

In apocryphal writings of the Second Temple period this fragmentary narrative was elaborated and reinterpreted. The angels were then depicted as rebels against God: lured by the charms of women, they "fell" (Heb, nfl. נפל), defiled their heavenly purity, and introduced all manner of sinfulness to earth. Their giant offspring were wicked and violent; the Flood was occasioned by their sinfulness. (None of these ideas is in the biblical text.) Because of their evil nature, God decreed that the Nephilim should massacre one another, although according to another view most of them perished in the Flood. One version asserts that the evil spirits originally issued from the bodies of the slain giants. These giants, or their offspring, are identified as Nephilim (See I En. 6–10, 15–16; Jub. 7:21ff.). As this dualistic myth does not appear in the apocalypses of Baruch and Esdras nor in the aggadah of the talmudic period, it was apparently rejected as incompatible with Jewish monotheism. The "sons of God" are explained in the Targum to Genesis 6:4 and the Midrash (Gen. R. 26:5) as young aristocrats who married the daughters of commoners. The Targum renders both gibborim and Nephilim by gibbaraya; the Midrash (Gen. R. 26:7) lists seven names applied to giants. The Babylonian Talmud mentions the names of Shamhazzai, Uzza, and Uzziel, the leaders of the fallen *angels in Enoch , but does not say that they were angels: Yoma 67b alludes to the sins of Uzza and Uzziel; Niddah 61a states that Sihon and Og were descendants of Shamhazzai. In Deuteronomy 3:11 *Og is described as a giant, and this theme was developed to a large degree in aggadic legend. In post-talmudic literature (cf. Rashi, Yoma 67b) the long-suppressed myth came to the surface again. The Palestinian Targum gives the orthodox rendering of Genesis 6:1, but translates verse 4 as: "Shamhazzai and Uzziel fell from heaven and were on earth in those days"–identifying the Nephilim as the fallen angels rather than their children. The same identification is found in a late Midrash, which calls the fallen angels Uzza and Uzziel; another passage in the same document says the Nephilim were descendants of Cain (Aggadat Bereshit, ed. S. Buber, introd., p. 38). The Zohar (1:58a) also identifies the Nephilim with the fallen angels. The standard medieval Bible commentators generally followed the classical aggadah in rejecting the mythological interpretation and asserting that the marriages in Genesis 6 were human. Some variant opinions about the "sons of God" are offered–e.g., that their distinction was not only social, but physical and even moral, and that the offspring were called Nephilim because they "fell short" of their fathers in these respects (Nahmanides, Abrabanel).

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I also can copy and paste a lot of commentaries that agree with my position. We all know some agree with you but they are wrong too.

Encyclopedia Judaica:

Nephilim

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NEPHILIM (Heb. נְפִילִים), a race of giants said to have dwelt in pre-Israelite Canaan (Num. 13:33). Genesis 6:1–2 relates that the "sons of gods," i.e., divine or angelic beings, took mortal wives; verse 4 continues, "It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared [lit., were] on earth–when the divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were the heroes [Heb. gibborim] of old, the men of renown." This could mean that the Nephilim were contemporaneous, but not identical, with the offspring of divine beings and earthly women, who were called gibborim (so, e.g., Morgenstern, in HUCA 14 (1939), 85ff.). The above translation, however, follows an ancient tradition in equating the Nephilim and the gibborim as offspring of the union of *angels and mortals .


In apocryphal writings of the Second Temple period this fragmentary narrative was elaborated and reinterpreted. The angels were then depicted as rebels against God: lured by the charms of women, they "fell" (Heb, nfl. נפל), defiled their heavenly purity, and introduced all manner of sinfulness to earth. Their giant offspring were wicked and violent; the Flood was occasioned by their sinfulness. (None of these ideas is in the biblical text.) Because of their evil nature, God decreed that the Nephilim should massacre one another, although according to another view most of them perished in the Flood. (All of them died at that time, scripture says “The end of all flesh is come before me” Gen 6:13 One version asserts that the evil spirits originally issued from the bodies of the slain giants. These giants, or their offspring, are identified as Nephilim (See I En. 6–10, 15–16; Jub. 7:21ff.). (True)As this dualistic myth does not appear in the apocalypses of Baruch and Esdras nor in the aggadah of the talmudic period, (Now we can use non –canonical writings?)it was apparently rejected as incompatible with Jewish monotheism. ( Jewish monotheism is incorrect, Gen 1:26,Gen 3:22,Gen 11:7,Psalm s 82, Dan. 4:17) The "sons of God" are explained in the Targum to Genesis 6:4 and the Midrash (Gen. R. 26:5) as young aristocrats who married the daughters of commoners. (Opinion)The Targum renders both gibborim and Nephilim by gibbaraya; the Midrash (Gen. R. 26:7) lists seven names applied to giants. The Babylonian Talmud mentions the names of Shamhazzai, Uzza, and Uzziel, the leaders of the fallen *angels in Enoch , but does not say that they were angels: (the book of Enoch does say they were angels Enoch 6.2 And the Angels, the sons of Heaven, saw them and desired them).:Yoma 67b alludes to the sins of Uzza and Uzziel; Niddah 61a states that Sihon and Og were descendants of Shamhazzai. In Deuteronomy 3:11 *Og is described as a giant, and this theme was developed to a large degree in aggadic legend. In post-talmudic literature (cf. Rashi, Yoma 67b) the long-suppressed myth came to the surface again. The Palestinian Targum gives the orthodox rendering of Genesis 6:1, but translates verse 4 as: "Shamhazzai and Uzziel fell from heaven and were on earth in those days"–identifying the Nephilim as the fallen angels rather than their children. The same identification is found in a late Midrash, which calls the fallen angels Uzza and Uzziel; another passage in the same document says the Nephilim were descendants of Cain (Aggadat Bereshit, ed. S. Buber, introd., p. 38). The Zohar (1:58a) also identifies the Nephilim with the fallen angels. The standard medieval Bible commentators generally followed the classical aggadah in rejecting the mythological interpretation and asserting that the marriages in Genesis 6 were human. Some variant opinions about the "sons of God" are offered–e.g., that their distinction was not only social, but physical and even moral, and that the offspring were called Nephilim because they "fell short" of their fathers in these respects (Nahmanides, Abrabanel).

So we must ignore the book of Enoch and accept non biblical Jewish writings to prove our point?


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I have been up all night with my dog---have had him for 10 years and he is dying. Pomeranian and Chihuahua mix--a little redhead. Nothing we can do except just stay with him, hold him , try and get some food and water into him--he will not eat though--nothing for 2 days. He can still drink water. He is weak, had been bleeding but the stool is black, not red, so that is good. This is tearing me up.
At this point, I have said all that I need to. It's just repeating the same things---You're going to believe the way you do and you have shown me not one thing new to change my mind. It quite simply doesn't add up and must twist scripture to make it fit your way. Whatever---right now---got far more important things to do.
 
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I have been up all night with my dog---have had him for 10 years and he is dying. Pomeranian and Chihuahua mix--a little redhead. Nothing we can do except just stay with him, hold him , try and get some food and water into him--he will not eat though--nothing for 2 days. He can still drink water. He is weak, had been bleeding but the stool is black, not red, so that is good. This is tearing me up.
At this point, I have said all that I need to. It's just repeating the same things---You're going to believe the way you do and you have shown me not one thing new to change my mind. It quite simply doesn't add up and must twist scripture to make it fit your way. Whatever---right now---got far more important things to do.
My prayers to you and your dog. I understand I have 2 small dogs myself.
 
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You are mixing three different things,
1-the rebellion of Satan against God which have happened long before the creation of the Human race.

2-the angels which kept not their first estate Jude 1:6 ...Genesis 6

3-Satan and his angels thrown out of Heaven during the Tribulation mentionned in Revelation 12 and Revelation 13

Yeah, he still doesnt understand there were 2 groups of rebellion in heaven
One group tried to get rid of God from heaven long be4 human race
Another group deliberately left heaven to abuse mankind.

Anyway we cannot force him, he is a believer of Jesus Christ anyway,
however, this subject is of higher understanding. thats how far he can go but may God bless him.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH
 
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Yeah, he still doesnt understand there were 2 groups of rebellion in heaven
One group tried to get rid of God from heaven long be4 human race
Another group deliberately left heaven to abuse mankind.

Anyway we cannot force him, he is a believer of Jesus Christ anyway,
however, this subject is of higher understanding. thats how far he can go but may God bless him.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

My last post, ---You can not even read what is plainly right in front of you---It very plainly says I am female----
There was only one rebellion--and those angels were thrown out of heaven. To suggest a second rebellion after that, where the ones doing the casting out are the ones choosing to join the caste offs in their messed up, now cursed world is not only not scriptural, it is sorely lacking in common sense. However, this is not, I do not think, an issue of salvation. But even that is rather questionable, for you put the very character of God into question with your reasoning for the destruction of man---not for their own choosing of sin, but for having impure blood by angels God Himself would have had to change from non sexual ones to sexual ones in order for them to even want to come down to earth and have sex with humans. You are making God the reason for their destruction, not their own souls. I will un-watch this thread now.
My dog ate today. I am praying and hoping against hope he will get through this.
 
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as they did not mate, or that trait just didn't get passed on---and that brings you up to date. Oh, who had the 6 fingers to pass on, the angels or the humans??

How many humans do you know with six fingers ? It’s not my fault scripture says they did.

I know of plenty of humans with extra digits. They are born with six fingers and six toes. But, the miracle of surgery removes them. My aunt married a man with six fingers and six toes, and all of their children had extra digits that were surgically removed.
 
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I know of plenty of humans with extra digits. They are born with six fingers and six toes. But, the miracle of surgery removes them. My aunt married a man with six fingers and six toes, and all of their children had extra digits that were surgically removed.

OK, I can see that, but do you believe that is what is referred to in scripture?
 
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