Why don't protestants bless Mary?

[Meowzltov]

While not technically a Protestant, sometimes I thank Christ for His Holy Mother, as an example to all Christians, especially Christian mothers, wives, and daughters. Her silent suffering next to her Son is very instructive for me. I believe that from all the Holy Men and Women in Paradise, Mary has the highest place. And that she stands by her Son's right side. If my Messiah grants me Paradise, I would be honored to meet and praise her. But my prayers are to the Father and the Son only. But I do believe that some Marian apparitions might be her, especially the miracle of Zeitun.

You are an example to us all!

 

[ripple the car]

Nah! I'm a sinful woman who just wonders whether Protestants have been handed down lies. Glad to talk to you!

You are an example to us all!

 

[LostMarbels]

While not technically a Protestant, sometimes I thank Christ for His Holy Mother, as an example to all Christians, especially Christian mothers, wives, and daughters. Her silent suffering next to her Son is very instructive for me. I believe that from all the Holy Men and Women in Paradise, Mary has the highest place. And that she stands by her Son's right side. If my Messiah grants me Paradise, I would be honored to meet and praise her. But my prayers are to the Father and the Son only. But I do believe that some Marian apparitions might be her, especially the miracle of Zeitun.

I have had this discussion on many different post so I am reposting this...

Paraphrase & emphasis mine.

John 1:1-3&14 In the beginning was (Jesus) the Word, and (Jesus) the Word was with God, and (Jesus) the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. And (Jesus) the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his (Jesus's) glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Rev 19:13&16 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

In those 2 scriptures an example of alpha and omega are given. Four times Jesus Christ references himself as " The Alpha, and Omega. The beginning and the end. By declaring himself the first and the last he is claiming to be God of all, from the very beginning. He is declaring the trinity of his nature. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are all the same God.

Without going to deep into this, since we see Jesus is the creator of all that is known and unknown, Jesus was before mankind, and was the creator of Mary.

Now we get into his likeness. We all know we were created in God's own image. So it is completely obvious that we model God. I hear a lot of people stating that God looks like us, no... we look like Him. That being said what we call 'humanity' was already present in God at the creation of man. If not... we would be different in order to remain in his likeness. Example: if God looked like, and acted like a billy goat, and then formed us in his likeness, we would look and act like billy goats. But we don't.... we act 'human' in God's likeness, denoting the fact that Jesus's humanity did not come from Mary.

So... Jesus was from before anything was created, formed us in his human likeness, and was made flesh. Mary is not the 'Mother' of the creator of all existence.

 

[ripple the car]

Sir ~ As the Eternal Word, Messiah is uncreated, I agree. But as Mary held and bore and of her own body by the Holy Spirit brought forth the Son of God in flesh, she is worthy to be called His Mother. Scripture gives her this title, too.

I have had this discussion on many different post so I am reposting this...

Paraphrase & emphasis mine.

John 1:1-3&14 In the beginning was (Jesus) the Word, and (Jesus) the Word was with God, and (Jesus) the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. And (Jesus) the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his (Jesus's) glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Rev 19:13&16 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

In those 2 scriptures an example of alpha and omega are given. Four times Jesus Christ references himself as " The Alpha, and Omega. The beginning and the end. By declaring himself the first and the last he is claiming to be God of all, from the very beginning. He is declaring the trinity of his nature. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are all the same God.

Without going to deep into this, since we see Jesus is the creator of all that is known and unknown, Jesus was before mankind, and was the creator of Mary.

Now we get into his likeness. We all know we were created in God's own image. So it is completely obvious that we model God. I hear a lot of people stating that God looks like us, no... we look like Him. That being said what we call 'humanity' was already present in God at the creation of man. If not... we would be different in order to remain in his likeness. Example: if God looked like, and acted like a billy goat, and then formed us in his likeness, we would look and act like billy goats. But we don't.... we act 'human' in God's likeness, denoting the fact that Jesus's humanity did not come from Mary.

So... Jesus was from before anything was created, formed us in his human likeness, and was made flesh. Mary is not the 'Mother' of the creator of all existence.

 

[LostMarbels]

She is only a vessel. Nothing more. She is 'worthy' of nothing. She is blessed (counted to be lucky) but no man is 'worthy'.

 

[ripple the car]

I disagree. Scripture compares her, figuratively, to the Tabernacle and the Ark of the Covenant. She is blessed among women, the Mother of Messiah after He became flesh, pierced with a sword to her soul as Christ was pierced with nails and a spear, and was the first to behold Christ made flesh. I do not talk to her as I would the Father and the Son, but I am in awe of her, and hope to meet her someday. My God is the Father and I honor the Son even as I honor to be Father. Those are the only two I praise or ask things of. But to minimize Mary beneath the witness of Scriptures is silly, imo.

She is only a vessel. Nothing more. She is 'worthy' of nothing. She is blessed (counted to be lucky) but no man is 'worthy'.

 

[LostMarbels]

Why would you even talk to a dead women? She has no powers.

 

[ripple the car]

Well, she's not spiritually dead, but alive with and in her Son in Paradise. But because I see no Scriptural reason to call upon or pray to anyone but the Father and the Son, in the Spirit, I don't talk to her or ask things of her. But I hold her in great respect like one might Moses, Abraham, or Elijah.

Why would you even talk to a dead women? She has no powers.

 

[LostMarbels]

Well, she's not spiritually dead, but alive with and in her Son in Paradise. But because I see no Scriptural reason to call upon or pray to anyone but the Father and the Son, in the Spirit, I don't talk to her or ask things of her. But I hold her in great respect like one might Moses, Abraham, or Elijah.

All of the great prophets or what have you have done nothing of their own will or power. All of them were used by God to makes his will come to pass. There is nothing astonishing about Mosses for example. He's an ordinary man used for extraordinary things. It doesn't matter that miracles were performed with him, what is awsome is what God did with an ordinary man. Likewise, there is nothing special about Mary other being used by God.

 

[ripple the car]

Scripture disagrees, Sir. Scripture does describe some as being notably virtuous, Holy, faithful, chosen by God, and equipped by God to do amazing things. IMO there is a reason why Moses and Elijah appeared with Christ, as opposed to Methuselah and Nahum.

All of the great prophets or what have you have done nothing of their own will or power. All of them were used by God to makes his will come to pass. There is nothing astonishing about Mosses for example. He's an ordinary man used for extraordinary things. It doesn't matter that miracles were performed with him, what is awsome is what God did with an ordinary man. Likewise, there is nothing special about Mary other being used by God.

 

[Aldebaran]

To anyone who thinks Mary is to be venerated or prayed to---you should take a look at the narrative in the beginning of the book of Matthew where God talks to Joseph about what to do and where to go with Mary. God wasn't even talking to Mary during that time, but rather Joseph. Maybe people should be venerating him instead!

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

but rather Joseph. Maybe people should be venerating him instead!

You brought up a really good point. How does the RCC view Joseph? In a marriage, is not the man the head of the home per Ephesians 5? Does a sinful Joseph have authority over Mary as her husband? I have heard earlier from this thread that Mary's sinless perfection was a product of a gradual generational process. Yet she was not the only person who raised Jesus. What about Joseph? Did he live a sinless life also? If not, that totally discredits the statement that Mary needed to be sinless in order to ensure her son was raised sinless.

 

[prodromos]

What about Joseph? Did he live a sinless life also? If not, that totally discredits the statement that Mary needed to be sinless in order to ensure her son was raised sinless.

That is a lovely strawman you've set up there. It is not Catholic teaching that Mary had to be sinless in order to raise her Son as sinless. If you want to poke holes in Catholic doctrine, you'd best know what that doctrine actually teaches. I'm not Catholic and I consider the Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception to be erroneous, but it doesn't claim what you stated above.

 

[Panevino]

To anyone who thinks Mary is to be venerated or prayed to---you should take a look at the narrative in the beginning of the book of Matthew where God talks to Joseph about what to do and where to go with Mary. God wasn't even talking to Mary during that time, but rather Joseph. Maybe people should be venerating him instead!

He is

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

That is a lovely strawman you've set up there. It is not Catholic teaching that Mary had to be sinless in order to raise her Son as sinless. If you want to poke holes in Catholic doctrine, you'd best know what that doctrine actually teaches. I'm not Catholic and I consider the Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception to be erroneous, but it doesn't claim what you stated above.

Not a strawman. It is what Open Heart told me previously on this thread. If it is inaccurate, you should let her know.

 

[Aldebaran]

Not a strawman. It is what Open Heart told me previously on this thread. If it is inaccurate, you should let her know.

I was also told by Patricius79. We've had long discussions, so I've heard it more than once.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

There are too many saints who should be venerated including St. Elijah (the guy went up in a whirlwind of fire), St. Daniel (Did you see how he predicted the end times), there should also be St. Enoch (the dude literally vanished). Or are saints the only ones who knew JESUS??????????

 

[Aldebaran]

There are too many saints who should be venerated including St. Elijah (the guy went up in a whirlwind of fire), St. Daniel (Did you see how he predicted the end times), there should also be St. Enoch (the dude literally vanished). Or are saints the only ones who knew JESUS??????????

By biblical definition, a saint in ANYone who knows Jesus. But the RCC tries to redefine even that!

As for veneration, we should focus on what Jesus did for us rather than looking for other people to venerate.

 

[Panevino]

By biblical definition, a saint in ANYone who knows Jesus. But the RCC tries to redefine even that!

no, Catholic church uses saint as you suggest but also allows a formal category for significant saints who may of been extrodinary in some way and were widely recognized in the Catholic (and often non Catholic) community.
It's a misconception that Catholics don't recognize the basic form of the word saint

As for veneration, we should focus on what Jesus did for us rather than looking for other people to venerate.

heb11-12

 

[Aldebaran]

no, Catholic church uses saint as you suggest but also allows a formal category for significant saints who may of been extrodinary in some way and were widely recognized in the Catholic (and often non Catholic) community.
It's a misconception that Catholics don't recognize the basic form of the word saint

I never hear them use the word except when referring to Apostles and people who the pope has "named into sainthood" if it is confirmed that they have performed something the church thinks was a miracle.