Who Speaks?

[anonymous person]

You dislike a form of godliness that many religious people observe.

To say that I share the sentiment would be an understatement.

I have never been fond of cheap imitations, whatever form they take.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You dislike a form of godliness that many religious people observe.

To say that I share the sentiment would be an understatement.

I have never been fond of cheap imitations, whatever form they take.

*cough* Mere Apologetics *cough*

 

[anonymous person]

*cough* Mere Apologetics *cough*

Thanks. That it is on your mind is a victory in and of itself.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I like the robes, the incense, the hymns, and the carols But I agree entirely, a spoken English mass is a very poor substitute for a fully sung Latin mass.

I'd probably like it if I went now (especially if they went back to the old style); it was only being obliged to go that made it eventually pall.

 

[Locutus]

I'd probably like it if I went now (especially if they went back to the old style); it was only being obliged to go that made it eventually pall.

I can understand that. I was raised without religion or atheism, so visits to churches/temples/mosques etc have been at my own volition, and mostly enjoyable. Apart from Protestant churches ... which I find deeply creepy. I have a soft spot for Catholic high mass, Thai Buddhist services, and Mosque prayers. Anything in which my heathen presence is welcome and unquestioned, and in which there is plenty of textured ritual.

 

[anonymous person]

I can understand that. I was raised without religion or atheism, so visits to churches/temples/mosques etc have been at my own volition, and mostly enjoyable. Apart from Protestant churches ... which I find deeply creepy. I have a soft spot for Catholic high mass, Thai Buddhist services, and Mosque prayers. Anything in which my heathen presence is welcome and unquestioned, and in which there is plenty of textured ritual.

Thank you for this. It is very insightful.

 

[Locutus]

Thank you for this. It is very insightful.

Let me guess .... the 'deeply creepy' bit?

 

[anonymous person]

Let me guess .... the 'deeply creepy' bit?

Everything you said.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Thanks. That it is on your mind is a victory in and of itself.

No worries. I always think of cheap imitations when it comes to your posts, whether here or there.

 

[Davian]

I suggest a better way. If you want to know the truth, you don't have to wait for the publication of the findings of neuroscientists.

Why not? Will your assertions not be validated by their findings?

God loves you and wants you to experience the joy and peace and assurance and hope that will sustain you as you go through life. He wants the best for you and is able to bring it about if that is what you want.

Proselytizing is inappropriate for this forum. If you care.

Read the gospels as if God were speaking directly to you, and find yourself in what they say.

This sounds like an exercise in self-deception.

As much as I would like to get free stuff, I would not write letters to Santa as if he is real.

In Christ, you will find the answers you seek.

I seek an accurate description of reality. Will I get that from someone that has been dead for 2000 years, if he existed at all?

 

[Davian]

The scripture. It is trustworthy.

Of course it is. It says so itself.

Circular Reasoning Works Because Circular Reasoning Works

• Davian
• Jun 25, 2015

 

[anonymous person]

I have found it trustworthy, not because it says it is, but because I tried it, many years ago, and over the years since it has been a source of inspiration, instruction, and hope.

I like your avatar by the way. I am sure Dr. Craig would be tickled to death by the fact that you have a picture of him as your avatar. ☺

 

[Resha Caner]

And if they told you that the scripture is a lie, placed there by Satan to fool mankind? Again, how would you know who to trust?

You don't ... at least in the sense I expect you're asking.

The being doesn't have to be ghostly, however. The same question can be applied to humans.

 

[Davian]

I have found it trustworthy, not because it says it is, but because I tried it, many years ago, and over the years since it has been a source of inspiration, instruction, and hope.

None of which speaks to it being an accurate description of reality.

I like your avatar by the way. I am sure Dr. Craig would be tickled to death by the fact that you have a picture of him as your avatar. ☺

He does look rather silly, doesn't he?

 

[anonymous person]

None of which speaks to it being an accurate description of reality.

I think it is where it makes claims about reality. I have good reasons to think it is and have none to think it isn't.

He does look rather silly, doesn't he?

I wouldn't say silly. Although I do think he can be quite funny at times when debating or teaching when he uses illustrations to show how ridiculous some arguments are.

 

[Davian]

I think it is where it makes claims about reality. I have good reasons to think it is and have none to think it isn't.

Of course. Is that not what every religionist says about their particular religion?

I wouldn't say silly. Although I do think he can be quite funny at times when debating or teaching when he uses illustrations to show how ridiculous some arguments are.

Indeed.


I suppose the irony is lost on you at this point.

 

[anonymous person]

Of course. Is that not what every religionist says about their particular religion?

I can agree with that. I think that is true of everyone though, religious or not.

And I think a great many people like yourself are simply deceived and are wrong even though they think they are right. You probably think the same of me and others who share views dissimilar to yours.

I suppose the irony is lost on you at this point.

You think Craig's arguments are ridiculous. I have known this for quite some time. But you have not made even the first step in showing that they are not good arguments. The only thing therefore that I see ironic is you thinking that irony would be lost on me.

 

[Locutus]

Everything you said.

Cool

Then I suspect you may have enjoyed the bit about being raised neither religious nor atheist, because my affection for some religious observance isn't particularly interesting. I'm assuming you do understand what 'neither god nor no god' means, in practice? It's not uncommon, where I live, to see parents raise kids without mention of religion one way or another. Neither for nor against. To give you more fuel for your bonfire, once we were at the age of reason (8 - 10), our parents introduced us to comparative religion. ie, gave us an overview of various faiths, even handedly.

 

[Locutus]

And I think a great many people like yourself are simply deceived and are wrong even though they think they are right. You probably think the same of me and others who share views dissimilar to yours.

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Except that, there is considerable evidence for many things theorised by science, which are dismissed by religionists. And there is zero evidence for supernatural claims made by religionists. You're not even on the same playing field, much less an even one.

 

[anonymous person]

Except that, there is considerable evidence for many things theorised by science, which are dismissed by religionists.

Is that supposed to be a problem for me?

And there is zero evidence for supernatural claims made by religionists. You're not even on the same playing field, much less an even one.

I am a Christian and claim Jesus rose bodily from the tomb He was buried in on the Sunday following His crucifixion. This was a supernatural event and there is evidence that it happened. Check out N.T. Wright's work on the subject for starters.