Fossil Record Observation

[The Barbarian]

I'm pretty sure he's treating all the miracles as one miracle. I don't really understand that counting methodology, but with my list he said the last 4 could be taken care of by angels, but then still insisted that only one miracle was needed.

Oh yeah. Forgot about angels. They could clean up a lot of problems for his story.

 

[juvenissun]

You did when you spoke of the Mississippi River and New York...a totally irrelevant situation.

The imaginary New York flood by rising sea level is very relevant. It implies a global case.

 

[juvenissun]

Really? You've never, as a geologist, observed a cut created by water in which the channel continues to narrow? You think that all rivers carve perfectly vertical sidewalls?

I have never seen a river which cuts rocks. People only imagined that.

 

[freezerman2000]

I have never seen a river which cuts rocks. People only imagined that.

It's not the water alone that cuts the rock,it's what is IN the water,other rocks,sand and other debris that over time erodes the rock walls.
It's the same with wind erosion..it's not the air,but what is carried in it that erodes rock into different formations such as these..

 

[The Barbarian]

I have never seen a river which cuts rocks. People only imagined that.

I’ve personally observed it at Dinosaur State Park. The river erodes away rock, and annually, new dino footprints show up and the rock wears away. It’s slow, but it matters. Over ages, a lot of rock goes away. Your argument from personal incredulity notwithstanding.

 

[Loudmouth]

I have never seen a river which cuts rocks. People only imagined that.

The scary part is that you claim to have taught a geology class.

 

[juvenissun]

I’ve personally observed it at Dinosaur State Park. The river erodes away rock, and annually, new dino footprints show up and the rock wears away. It’s slow, but it matters. Over ages, a lot of rock goes away. Your argument from personal incredulity notwithstanding.

I don't believe that.

 

[juvenissun]

It's not the water alone that cuts the rock,it's what is IN the water,other rocks,sand and other debris that over time erodes the rock walls.

That is the understanding. But we do not see it happening. We simplified it to give a convenient interpretation. And precisely, you are wrong even on that simply interpretation. Most rocky river beds are protected by gravels.

 

[freezerman2000]

You expect the erosion to happen rapidly?It's a slow process,depending on the hardness of the rock.
Where did those gravels come from?The rocks that were eroded by other water borne gravels.
Beginning at 4:53 in this video,you will learn all about it. http://learner.org/vod/vod_window.html?pid=330

 

[Astrophile]

Good thinking.
But there will be a lot of sedimentary material after the flood.

So when was material eroded from the pre-flood land surface, and when were sediments deposited?

By the way, do you know that some rock systems (e.g. the Paleogene, the Cretaceous, the Jurassic and the Carboniferous) have maximum thicknesses of >10 km?

 

[juvenissun]

So when was material eroded from the pre-flood land surface, and when were sediments deposited?

By the way, do you know that some rock systems (e.g. the Paleogene, the Cretaceous, the Jurassic and the Carboniferous) have maximum thicknesses of >10 km?

Yes. A few fantastic formations are > 10Km thick and were deposited within a few million years of time. Formations in such thickness deposited within 20-30 m.y. are not uncommon.

 

[The Barbarian]

Most rocky river beds are protected by gravels.

The river is periodically flooded by rains, which move gravels across the rock, erasing old prints and exposing new ones.

 

[juvenissun]

The river is periodically flooded by rains, which move gravels across the rock, erasing old prints and exposing new ones.

Exposing is not the right word. Nothing is exposed in the process.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is not that simple. Meandering process does not show when river flows on bedrock.

The meander could not have formed until after the flood. And that is only the beginning. When you understand this simple fact we can move on.
The photo that I supplied refutes your concept of the Flood.

 

[The Barbarian]

Exposing is not the right word. Nothing is exposed in the process.

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/Farlow et al 2012 Paluxy River tracksites.pdf

 

[juvenissun]

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/Farlow et al 2012 Paluxy River tracksites.pdf

If footprints are found today at somewhere on the river bed, When would they be eroded away by the river?

 

[bhsmte]

The scary part is that you claim to have taught a geology class.

And there is no such thing as a bad teacher, only bad students.

I love that one!

 

[The Barbarian]

Depends on the water. Flooding rapidly scours away rock, and the prints can be gone in few years. Every year the last traces of some disappear, and new ones start to emerge.

 

[The Barbarian]

And there is no such thing as a bad teacher, only bad students.

A good teacher never has bad students. Luck, I suppose.

 

[[serious]]

I don't believe that.

Another example would be gravestone weathering. Do you believe in gravestone weathering?