Is the Church raptured? OR do we FLEE to a place of safety!? Find out!

[TomorrowsWorld]

I find it amazing how confused so many are about what happens to Gods people prior to Christ's return! 1 cor 15:52 clearly says we're made perfect at the sound of the LAST TRUMPET! Which is rev 11:15. ....1 Thess 4:52 is also referring to this moment. The Church is NOT raptured prior to this!

Where does the Church go! Christ tells us to FLEE when we see the abomination of desolation! Where are we fleeing to? What is the abomination of desolation? If you Don't know what it is then how will you know to flee when it happens!?

Scripture promises that God’s most faithful people will be protected from the terrible events that will befall our world before Christ returns. Will you receive that protection?

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/escape-the-great-tribulation#sthash.FUJvDwKs.dpuf

 

[Justme]

I find it amazing how confused so many are about what happens to Gods people prior to Christ's return! 1 cor 15:52 clearly says we're made perfect at the sound of the LAST TRUMPET! Which is rev 11:15. ....1 Thess 4:52 is also referring to this moment. The Church is NOT raptured prior to this!

Where does the Church go! Christ tells us to FLEE when we see the abomination of desolation! Where are we fleeing to? What is the abomination of desolation? If you Don't know what it is then how will you know to flee when it happens!?

Scripture promises that God’s most faithful people will be protected from the terrible events that will befall our world before Christ returns. Will you receive that protection?

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/escape-the-great-tribulation#sthash.FUJvDwKs.dpuf

All follower of Jesus were told to flee from Judea to the mountains when they saw the armies surround Jerusalem, Luke 21.
There were no believers of Jesus anywhere near the great trib. It was a time where a vile generation was given severe wrath as they rejected the son of God.

Justme

 

[Light of the East]

I find it amazing how confused so many are about what happens to Gods people prior to Christ's return! 1 cor 15:52 clearly says we're made perfect at the sound of the LAST TRUMPET! Which is rev 11:15. ....1 Thess 4:52 is also referring to this moment. The Church is NOT raptured prior to this!

Where does the Church go! Christ tells us to FLEE when we see the abomination of desolation! Where are we fleeing to? What is the abomination of desolation? If you Don't know what it is then how will you know to flee when it happens!?

Scripture promises that God’s most faithful people will be protected from the terrible events that will befall our world before Christ returns. Will you receive that protection?

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/escape-the-great-tribulation#sthash.FUJvDwKs.dpuf

I find it interesting that you have picked up on the words "the last trump" and yet seem to not realize that the passages which are claimed to teach a "rapture of the Church" are in fact speaking of the resurrection at the end of time.

 

[Berean777]

I find it interesting that you have picked up on the words "the last trump" and yet seem to not realize that the passages which are claimed to teach a "rapture of the Church" are in fact speaking of the resurrection at the end of time.

Precisely, the last or seventh trumpet call is sounded by the Lord himself who declares time no longer as far as the harvest is concerned and at this trumpet call, all who are alive will be translated and the dead shall rise to be forever with the Lord.

 

[Light of the East]

Precisely, the last or seventh trumpet call is sounded by the Lord himself who declares time no longer as far as the harvest is concerned and at this trumpet call, all who are alive will be translated and the dead shall rise to be forever with the Lord.

Right. So the word "rapture," which is not even in the Bible, should not be used, but we should rather talk in context about the resurrection, which is the entire subject of Paul's discourse in 1 Corin 15.

 

[timewerx]

I find it amazing how confused so many are about what happens to Gods people prior to Christ's return! 1 cor 15:52 clearly says we're made perfect at the sound of the LAST TRUMPET! Which is rev 11:15. ....1 Thess 4:52 is also referring to this moment. The Church is NOT raptured prior to this!

Where does the Church go! Christ tells us to FLEE when we see the abomination of desolation! Where are we fleeing to? What is the abomination of desolation? If you Don't know what it is then how will you know to flee when it happens!?

Scripture promises that God’s most faithful people will be protected from the terrible events that will befall our world before Christ returns. Will you receive that protection?

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/escape-the-great-tribulation#sthash.FUJvDwKs.dpuf

The wicked men will be taken, not the good ones! The meek will inherit the Earth...

Matthew 24:38 - 39
For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man

 

[Light of the East]

The wicked men will be taken, not the good ones! The meek will inherit the Earth...

Matthew 24:38 - 39
For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man

Matthew 24 is about the Destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with some strange and unbiblical idea of a "rapture."

 

[Berean777]

Right. So the word "rapture," which is not even in the Bible, should not be used, but we should rather talk in context about the resurrection, which is the entire subject of Paul's discourse in 1 Corin 15.

Precisely!

 

[timewerx]

Matthew 24 is about the Destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with some strange and unbiblical idea of a "rapture."

I think you did not read the verses I quoted which is about the coming of the son of man.

So are you saying that Christ came back in AD 70??

And which "strange and unbiblical idea of a rapture are you saying of?

 

[Light of the East]

I think you did not read the verses I quoted which is about the coming of the son of man.

So are you saying that Christ came back in AD 70??

And which "strange and unbiblical idea of a rapture are you saying of?

The time indicators in Matthew 24 appear to indicate that Christ did return in AD 70. The strange and unbiblical idea of the rapture I am speaking of is that which was invented in the 1850's and is in current vogue today among Evangelicals, i.e. that the "true Christians" will be taken away, Israel will be re-established as the Kingdom of God, there will be a 7 year Tribulation period, and then Christ will come and set up a 1,000 year millennial Kingdom on earth.

I used to believe that. Don't anymore. The whole premise is deeply flawed and anti-covenantal.

 

[timewerx]

The strange and unbiblical idea of the rapture I am speaking of is that which was invented in the 1850's and is in current vogue today among Evangelicals, i.e. that the "true Christians" will be taken away, Israel will be re-established as the Kingdom of God, there will be a 7 year Tribulation period, and then Christ will come and set up a 1,000 year millennial Kingdom on earth.

I don't believe it either.

So if Christ did return in AD 70 what is He doing now?

 

[Goatee]

Blah, blah, blah!!!

Why worry? Follow Christ, Believe in Jesus, Do as he taught............/thread!

 

[Linet Kihonge]

The time indicators in Matthew 24 appear to indicate that Christ did return in AD 70. The strange and unbiblical idea of the rapture I am speaking of is that which was invented in the 1850's and is in current vogue today among Evangelicals, i.e. that the "true Christians" will be taken away, Israel will be re-established as the Kingdom of God, there will be a 7 year Tribulation period, and then Christ will come and set up a 1,000 year millennial Kingdom on earth.

I used to believe that. Don't anymore. The whole premise is deeply flawed and anti-covenantal.

Yes, 70 AD, Matthew 24:14, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

By the end of the 1st century, Christianity had only spread to Rome and to various cities in Greece, Asia Minor and Syria. The map on 70 AD shows there was Africa, America, Europe and other countries.

Well, if Christ came back in 70 AD then v.14 is a DEAL BREAKER.

Do not think being a futurist is easy because we too have to think if we are jumping around some myths and scriptural connotations or if we are fully aware of what Revelations is all about. It's sad, you have it all figured but no one can clearly state if there was a mark of the beast or not during the first century and to make it worse, if it's a repitition of Daniel or other scriptures in OT.

By THE WAY! I know the Bible heavily cross references itself and Revelations is just one of the many books that seems repeated in the OT. But if I were to be asked, "Consistency is KEY to Revelations and any other scriptures." The Lord has to be the same yesterday, today and forever more.

So for me, if Revelations is a portion of a complete book in OT or the perfect match to Daniel 7. It was important God sounded like his Book was HIS BOOK. And there's no way, He would have spoken of Catastrophes that seem to repeat themselves every time if he had come in the 1st Century.

So my take on this is, if the Gospel hasn't reached some tribe in the middle of nowhere, I highly refuse the Idea that the Church "raptured" during the 1st Century.

Ah, you are right, Rapture is not anywhere in the bible but I believe Christians both dead or alive will vanish from the surface of earth. One day!!! Unless they vanished in that time.

 

[Light of the East]

I don't believe it either.

So if Christ did return in AD 70 what is He doing now?

Not sure. Maybe watching us discuss this on the Christian forums?

 

[Goatee]

Probably wondering why all the different interpretations of scripture!

 

[Anto9us]

Probably reading our posts, just CRACKING UP !!

anyway -- the "no time to get the gospel into all the world" idea is shot down by the Bible itself:

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Col 1:3
We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Col 1:4
Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
Col 1:5
For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
Col 1:6
Which is come unto you,


as it is in all the world;


and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

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Paul says FLAT OUT that the gospel has come "in all the world"

despite our reasoning of "What about Canada? What about the Phiilipines?" etc.


Yeah -- hard to be a Futurist -- hard to be a Preterist also...

Hard to be labeled a "Partial Preterist" -- cuz it has the connotation of sumpn 'HALFWAY' ...

But I guess I'm a PEE-PEE

Let's at least make it an FFPP
(Futurist-Friendly Partial Preterist)

but I'm really not comfortable being tied to any eschatological camp

it's complicated - and we're seeing through a glass darkly

I think some of the things that Peter said in Paul's writings that were 'hard to be understood'
involved End-Times stuff as well as predestination, and I do not want to rassle myself to destruction over 'em
Don't even wanna argue with Calvinists anymore

beyond having a certain eschatological view, and being hard-core Arminian

I am still basically an orthodox Christian, of the Nicene Creed Country Club
that seems to be my main identification
and I hold it with other Protestants, Roman Catholics, and Orthodox
even Calvinists.

 

[Universal Ranger]

I believe there will be a rapture to spare those faithful to Christ from the Great Tribulation.

However, I believe that the rapture is going to follow suit to what is written in Revelation about the 7 churches. If you read what the Angle of the Lord says about them, there is only one church, the Church of Philadelphia that God promises will escape the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world.

I believe that all of those churches were mentioned in the prophecies of John as a warning to us. I believe that they were mentioned in Revelation because God sought to serve them as a sort of representation to all of Christianity all over the world in the day and time of the Great Tribulation before the rapture takes place.

All Christians, in personal honest introspection will know where they most fit within those seven churches. The Angel of the Lord even cried out that he who has an ear let him hear what the Angel of the Lord says to the 7 churches.

Why would God want us to hear it that He would make such a proclamation if their significance only applied to that day and time? Why mention them in Revelation, and then promise only one of them to escape an hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world?

I believe it is because all Christians of the world make up those Seven Churches symbolically. If we are as such with our following of God that we fall under the Church of Philadelphia, then I believe that we can have confidence that we will not have to choose whether to die or accept the mark of the beast because we well be spared, through the rapture. However, if our following with God is such that we more belong to those other churches that tolerated sin, we will not escape, and will suffer things probably metaphorically similar to what God said that they would suffer.

 

[timewerx]

Not sure. Maybe watching us discuss this on the Christian forums?

So Christ is in the internet.....doesn't that sound very dangerous???

One day we'll have everything on the internet, and then we will have very smart robots, also connected to the internet.

Should Christ get angry at humanity, he'll have a massive army of robots at His disposal and have us by our throats completely by surprise.

Or since, Christ can see everything through the internet, simply take away the bad people without warning.

 

[ewq1938]

Right. So the word "rapture," which is not even in the Bible, should not be used, but we should rather talk in context about the resurrection, which is the entire subject of Paul's discourse in 1 Corin 15.

The word rapture is in the bible but it's the Greek word for rapture since it was written in Greek not English.

 

[ewq1938]

The wicked men will be taken, not the good ones!

No, when it comes to the one taken and one left It is Christ doing the taking and leaving and it happens at the second coming. He takes the righteous (called the rapture) and leaves/rejects (that's what the Greek word means) the unsaved.