Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[Subduction Zone]

I am talking about the original Hebrew Bible. Not the translations or what the Christian church did. The thing is we know for a fact that Noah's flood was NOT a world wide flood. Period the end, no one can show that there was a world wide flood at the time of Noah. This does not mean the Bible is not true, it means the traditional interpretation is not accurate. Nothing falsifies the Bible itself. If the Bible were not true then Science would be able to show us that. If Genesis Chapter one were not true then it would be very easy for science to show us it is not true. If there was no Adam and Eve in a real Garden in Eden 6,000 years ago then it would be very easy for Science to show us that is NOT a true story. Again IF there Bible were not accurate and IF the Bible were not true then all of the evidence we have would show that the Bible itself is not accurate or true. AS it is all the evidence does is show us that we need to grow in our understanding of the Bible. All the evidence helps us to have a better understanding. If all the scientific evidence does not show us the Bible is true then at least we know that Bible could be true because the evidence does not falsify the Bible in anyway. That in and of itself is amazing from a Scientific viewpoint.

YOu have been challenged and I am sure you put your best effort into trying to show the Bible is not accurate and true and you failed. You are not able in anyway to show the Bible is not accurate and true and relyable. All you have shown as you said was: "wishful thinking on your part". You wish you could show the Bible is not accurate and true but you just are not able to do that. You complain about "mental gymnastics". Of course you are going to have to put your brain to the test. The Bible is still beyond our ability to understand in MANY ways. The God that created this universe gave us the Bible, not man. So the Bible by its very nature is beyond our ability and as we grow and mature we understand better and better what there is to learn. The Bible is literal with real people but the real story is in the lesson we learn. If you look at Noah that is just the very tip of the ice burg. There have been SIX (6) extinctions on a world wide level. Noah's story takes all of that into consideration to show you how and why God does what HE does. Or if you want to be a Diest and not actually believe in a Physical God then we still look at the Laws of the Natural world as God. If you want to study evolution, if you want to study Geology, then you have to study God and study how God does what HE does in this world and in this universe. You can not look at the effect without making some attempt to understand the Cause and God is the Divine Cause of the entire Universe. Even the Divine Cause of Multiple Universes if the Multi Universe Theory turns out to be true.

So I ask you, why do you continue to try to doing something that your going to fail miserably? You must be testing me to see if I really believe in the God I claim to believe in. Your making me examine the evidence so I am even stronger in my belief of God. So maybe you are serving God more then many because you force people to examine what they believe and you strengthen them in their belief of God.

Sorry, but now you are merely reinterpreting the Bible to try to match reality. You cannot tie the six major extinctions and countless small ones into the Noah myth no matter how convoluted your reasoning. Also by your standards Islam is correct since they can play this game much better than you can.

I have shown that the Bible is incorrect many times. Of course you will either say that you do not interpret that Bible as saying that so before I can show you that your interpretation is wrong You need to clarify your beliefs a little bit. Of course if you ever do get convinced that your interpretation is wrong you will simply reinterpret the Bible. The problem with your approach to the Bible is that it makes the Bible worthless. It adapts to all facts if you interpret it after the fact. That makes it of no value since it sets forth no standards at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Now you want to pick on Mary? You should take a much deeper look into that subject. That will give you something to talk about. The Priests in the temple put Mary up for marriage at the age of 12 and they were looking for one of the oldest men to give her to. According to the Catholic Church they believe she remained a Virgin all of her life.

4. Early Church Fathers Believed Joseph was 80 to 90 years old when he married 12-year-old Mary

The very advanced age of Joseph, marrying Mary, was true and accepted by most early Church Fathers. Reverend Jeremiah Jones writes about 2 to 3 pages long that Infancy Protevangelion of James was accepted by Early Church Fathers as truthful account of Mary and Joseph’s marriage. If one reads the Infancy Gospel of James (Protevangelion of James), in Chapter 8 it says that Mary was married to Joseph when she was 12 years old.

Yes, but that is just apocrypha. A book that is even worth less than the regular Bible. Also 12 was not a crazy young age to get married in those days. Do you have any even half way valid sources that support your claim that Joseph was an old man? That is a rather extreme claim that I have not heard before. Of course you will have nothing of substance that supports you. All you can draw on are Catholic nonsense at best and we know how crazy they are about sex.

 

[digitalgoth]

All you can draw on are Catholic nonsense at best and we know how crazy they are about sex.

Those crazy Catholics. Always thinking about sex all the time. Surely they would have their time better spent thinking about how other people having sex is destroying the country. Especially if those other people are the same sex. That's where Catholics went wrong. You don't raise money by having priests molest children, that's a money losing venture. Much better to attack it from afar and blame natural disasters on it instead.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Sorry, but now you are merely reinterpreting the Bible to try to match reality.

My interpretation of the Bible does not matter. You have to interpretate the Bible for your self as the Holy Spirit of God is given to help us to understand the Word of God and how to apply it to our lives. The Bible is a spiritual book and the carnal man in the flesh is going to have problems to understand what is spiritual in nature.

I have shown that the Bible is incorrect many times.

You have not shown anything at all other then wishful thinking. You tried and you failed and you will continue to fail because the Bible is 100% accurate and true. I am not trying to sell you my interpretation at all. Why should I spoon feed you when you need to grow and mature and learn how to properly discern the Bible, the Word of God so that you can feed yourself. There is never an end to learning when you study the Bible. With science you will eventually learn all there is to know about any given subject. But the Bible is eternal and we keep increasing and growing in our understanding and in our knowledge and truth. A lot of Atheists have not even begun to understand. I have talked to people with PhD degrees in science that were not functioning at a third grade level of understanding in the Bible.

You can not teach truth. You can only help people to discover it for themselves. When they learn the truth they will not give you any credit at all because they figured it out for themselves.

 

[Subduction Zone]

My interpretation of the Bible does not matter. You have to interpretate the Bible for your self as the Holy Spirit of God is given to help us to understand the Word of God and how to apply it to our lives. The Bible is a spiritual book and the carnal man in the flesh is going to have problems to understand what is spiritual in nature.

Sorry but that is just a cop out and it again makes your Bible all but worthless since it applies to different people different ways.

You have not shown anything at all other then wishful thinking. You tried and you failed and you will continue to fail because the Bible is 100% accurate and true. I am not trying to sell you my interpretation at all. Why should I spoon feed you when you need to grow and mature and learn how to properly discern the Bible, the Word of God so that you can feed yourself. There is never an end to learning when you study the Bible. With science you will eventually learn all there is to know about any given subject. But the Bible is eternal and we keep increasing and growing in our understanding and in our knowledge and truth. A lot of Atheists have not even begun to understand. I have talked to people with PhD degrees in science that were not functioning at a third grade level of understanding in the Bible.

Wrong, you have not been paying attention. Of course the Bible is "100% accurate and true" if you are afraid to state what it actually says and you are willing to reinterpret it every time that you are shown to be wrong. Your version of the Bible has no value at all because you think it can be all things to all people.

You can not teach truth. You can only help people to discover it for themselves. When they learn the truth they will not give you any credit at all because they figured it out for themselves.

And more nonsense.

 

[Michael]

Wrong, you have not been paying attention. Of course the Bible is "100% accurate and true" if you are afraid to state what it actually says and you are willing to reinterpret it every time that you are shown to be wrong.

Oh the irony as it relates to all the failures of your dark matter bible.

 

[dad]

Hi,

Asked in a strange way needed by science, "You bought one AFTER, you were saved."

Tell me about your getting saved.


Really, that may bea strange way to say that, but please bear with me.

Tell me about your getting saved.

LOVE,

Never heard of the salvation prayer?

 

[dad]

And since you have always failed at that that tells us quite a bit about you.

I would not ask you about wisdom from God.

 

[dad]

Hi,

In your words, how Does God define these words:

Love
Hate

LOVE,

To love God is to hate evil.

 

[katerinah1947]

And sadly dad seems to have neither. But then he does not like it when I point out that he is trying to tell God how he made the Earth instead of listening to God's testimony in nature. He makes the mistake of making a false idol of the Bible. Rather than trying to understand its message he takes it absolutely literally. And only the KJV if I remember correctly. Just a little background for you.

Hi, (edits done now)

I am sorry for your difficulties.

I love what you say here.

In my words it would be this:

Decide not, ears of men
To what, and whom you will listen
Decide not hearts, also
Decide not, remember fear

It is of fear so dear
That wisdom comes
From Wisdom to us, in those who fear
From Wisdom to us, wisdom of God


Are words not heard, words still
Are things not seen, still real
All words that the Bible says, are true
Are true always when none are left out

Does Abrahams knee now bend
Once it did as ours now do
When Abram was Abram, the knee bent, I say
Now though, God changed that

He, God, talks directly to Abraham as friend.
The knee no longer bends
It no longer bends
His heart does. It bends bows and breaks. For one he loves. The God of you and the God of me.

Such it is, and if one reads but a little
A story heard about a man like he
Abraham
Would not could not be believed.

Bilbically one must know what God means.
Biblically men, translate and determine what should be, in the Bible we read.
God though, through Jerome I am told, gave us another way to read; The Bible, correctly.

It is to read All of the translations that we can, then what is accidental error, from what God means, to the words used by translators can be removed.

It is tough, in throwing out nothing. Nothing in The Bible also. Nothing on a subject like death, or God's help in telling us what to do, in any single subject, that causes us to know God's Real View on things.

So, going over a finished piece, where the Geneisis 1:28, Subdue the earth, boys and girls had a say that was ignored, it was in not using Genesis 1:28, Subduing The Earth Command by God, through a Blessing in all of us, in the Bible, that caused us not to know, what God Really Did Do on an issue.

Nowhere Biblically, with God, have I ever seen us left without, rather what I see is you or I or others leaving out Biblical things.,

Thus, we have nothing to fear from Science, If God Is Real, as that God commanded us to do Science.

In doing science though, it is to be done right.

As it is a Command by God, through that Blessing, it is a command to a least understand how science is done correctly.

That Sir, is I think your observation.

It is that some Christians are not doing what God wants them to do, which is to not oppose Him.

Not knowing when the science is done properly, is cherry picking the Bible, by not knowing that God Commaned us to do Science.

Further, not listening to the results of science is disobeying God through lack of Bible knowledge or cherry picking or just plain not being gifted with understanding the Bible well enough, as Romans 13:1-5, is a rather direct Command by God, to listen and follow all proven science and sciences.

Opposition to science can only be done with data and proofs, not One part God, against two parts God.

In Galileo's time, in a way, It was God's Word Biblically, opposing God's Word Biblically.

Genesis 1:28 Subdue the earth, is God's Words. So is the sun rises God's Words, and other such statements. Which is correct?

Today this is happening on two more issues. Only Today, we have both Genesis 1:28, and now Romans 13:1-5, opposing a Biblical idea.

So in those two cases, we see God's Word in two places for something, and God's Word in one place opposing those two cases.

This is handled honestly. It is no vote. By looking deeply in, the answer will be there, on what to do.

So, the Bible phrase, that The Book is good for all things, is still true as expected, if it Really Is God's Words in there.

He said in there somewhere, that all of His words we live by, further showing that Science, Commanded by God, and Government Laws, also Commaned for us to obey, plus All the Bible Laws Summed up by Jesus, are what we are to live by.

And, doing that, not ignoring anything, is Doing God's Will and not our own individual wills.

Doing God's Will with all of strength might and determination, is loving God.

Doing the will of the one you love, IS GOD'S, definition of love.

It is also the first and Greatest Commandment of God.

So, yes, I see the point, you are making.

LOVE,

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh the irony as it relates to all the failures of your dark matter bible.

And yet you ignore the obvious victories. When it comes to physics we all know who avoids reality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I would not ask you about wisdom from God.

Yes, that is because you are lacking that wisdom.

 

[Subduction Zone]

My interpretation of the Bible does not matter. You have to interpretate the Bible for your self as the Holy Spirit of God is given to help us to understand the Word of God and how to apply it to our lives. The Bible is a spiritual book and the carnal man in the flesh is going to have problems to understand what is spiritual in nature.

Excuses, excuses. You always have an excuse, you can never support your claims.

You have not shown anything at all other then wishful thinking. You tried and you failed and you will continue to fail because the Bible is 100% accurate and true. I am not trying to sell you my interpretation at all. Why should I spoon feed you when you need to grow and mature and learn how to properly discern the Bible, the Word of God so that you can feed yourself. There is never an end to learning when you study the Bible. With science you will eventually learn all there is to know about any given subject. But the Bible is eternal and we keep increasing and growing in our understanding and in our knowledge and truth. A lot of Atheists have not even begun to understand. I have talked to people with PhD degrees in science that were not functioning at a third grade level of understanding in the Bible.

Sorry but you are wrong again. You don't even have an interpretation of the Bible, all you have is the claim that it is true and the willingness to change your beliefs when various parts of the Bible are shown to be wrong. You then claim that others are not interpreting it correctly. Your infinitely stretching Bible is as worthless as the Bible of those that take it literally. The simple fact is that the Bible is a work of man. It will naturally have flaws in it.

You can not teach truth. You can only help people to discover it for themselves. When they learn the truth they will not give you any credit at all because they figured it out for themselves.

This is nonsense on your part since you don't even know what the truth is. I can help people to believe correct things. You can't even do that.

 

[Michael]

And yet you ignore the obvious victories.

Which obvious victory? There have been a total of zero victories in dark matter research in the past decade after spending billions of dollars, and their original basis for proposing the ideas was entirely based upon flawed baryonic mass estimates! What "victory"?

When it comes to physics we all know who avoids reality.

Clearly that would be you and your nonexistent dark matter "victories". Your dark matter bible has been ripped to experimental shreds and you simply don't care. You're just like dad.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Excuses, excuses. You always have an excuse, you can never support your claims.



Sorry but you are wrong again. You don't even have an interpretation of the Bible, all you have is the claim that it is true and the willingness to change your beliefs when various parts of the Bible are shown to be wrong. You then claim that others are not interpreting it correctly. Your infinitely stretching Bible is as worthless as the Bible of those that take it literally. The simple fact is that the Bible is a work of man. It will naturally have flaws in it.



This is nonsense on your part since you don't even know what the truth is. I can help people to believe correct things. You can't even do that.

I hear an ecco, you are just repeating back to me what I am telling you. Are you a bot?

 

[Michael]

Excuses, excuses. You always have an excuse, you can never support your claims.

Boom goes the dark matter irony meter!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which obvious victory? There have been a total of zero victories in dark matter research in the past decade after spending billions of dollars, and their original basis for proposing the ideas was entirely based upon flawed baryonic mass estimates! What "victory"?

Mike, you can't be this ignorant. Its victories are much bigger than its so called failures since none of the failures showed the theory to be wrong. Yet the victories are clear evidence for the idea. Oh wait, evidence is a concept that you do not understand.

Clearly that would be you and your nonexistent dark matter "victories". Your dark matter bible has been ripped to experimental shreds and you simply don't care. You're just like dad.

Mike, you are posting falsehoods and nonsense again. The fact practically no real scientists follow your nonsense should give you a clue. Mike, when almost everyone that is educated in a subject believes differently than you do you should ask yourself what you are missing.