Formal Debate-Peanut Gallery Thread-Formal Debate - Rock-N-Roll is Dangerous to Every Society

[MarkRohfrietsch]

For those not directly involved in the formal debate, you may discuss this topic and the progress of the formal debate in this thread.

The Formal Debate thread is located here:
Formal Debate - Rock-N-Roll is Dangerous to Every Society

 

[Chany]

Wow. This is happening. My mind cannot proccess this. I get discussions on atheism being harmful to society from a Christian perspective, but a genre of music? How? I can't imagine it would be the sound, so it would have to be the lyrics. But then one would be arguing against poetry, so that wouldn't work either.

Unless the referrence to rock and roll is to common themes within rock bands or the "rock" lifestyle. However, that simply deviates into a value judgement disagreement and a broad brushing of a very large number of musical artists.

 

[quatona]

I am sure this debate is going to be fun.

 

[Chesterton]

I'm confused. This is the Peanut Gallery thread?

 

[Moral Orel]

I agree with TheyCallMeDave.... Christian rock music is very, very, dangerous...

 

[SkyWriting]

I agree with TheyCallMeDave.... Christian rock music is very, very, dangerous...

Not worthy of anyone's time, but I've not seen any danger.

 

[Locutus]

Awesome

Sleep with one eye open!

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Look what it did to elvis the king. Didnt he OD on tranquilisers?

 

[The Cadet]

Just posting here to subscribe.

 

[Moral Orel]

Just posting here to subscribe.

Isn't that kind of like Googling yourself? Hahaha

 

[The Cadet]

Isn't that kind of like Googling yourself? Hahaha

I am that vain.

 

[Moral Orel]

You're so vain... You probably think this thread is about you.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

First post in the debate is up: http://www.christianforums.com/thre...erous-to-every-society.7933183/#post-69275852

 

[Ana the Ist]

I am that vain.

All things considered, great first post.

 

[Chesterton]

Agreed, thread should be fun. I'll be siding against Cadet but not necessarily with Dave. Please be gentle in your attacks.

1. Rock and roll led to G. G. Allin, therefore, in theory, could lead to worse. Prosecution rests.

But seriously (a little)...

I can't imagine it would be the sound, so it would have to be the lyrics.

Not so fast. This is the philosophy forum.

"When Electricity Came To Arkansas"... The birth of rock coincided with the bringing of electricity to rural parts of the American south. A primary component of rock is the "overdriven" guitar sound. It's already violating the Judeo-Christian and Taoist principles of moderation and balance. The sound is also known as "distortion" and "dirty". The guitarist takes a pure electrical signal and distorts (or perverts) it; takes what is clean and makes it dirty. Surely this alone doesn't bode well for our further analysis of the music.

The drums - way too loud, they hit them too hard, too fast, they crash them. Again violating long-held human ideas about moderation in all things.

The (alleged) singing - they scream, they wail, they grunt, they moan. This was disturbing enough when they were screaming "wham-a-lam-a-ding-dong", but the situation becomes much more disturbing when they later begin to scream about politics and societal issues about which they know nothing. But lyrics aside, a healthy society should not produce screaming men, except when men are being physically attacked. Plato would not approve, Jesus would not approve, and as much as we enjoy it, you and I should not approve.

Unless the referrence to rock and roll is to common themes within rock bands or the "rock" lifestyle. However, that simply deviates into a value judgement disagreement and a broad brushing of a very large number of musical artists.

Yes that's a problem for the debate. Thanks largely to the ruinous effects of the Beatles, a lot of diverse stuff falls under the umbrella term, even though it's not rock and roll. And even before them, things were a bit confused because of the hybrid nature of the music's origins.

 

[Chesterton]

Kudos to Cadet's first post for setting up some proper framework with appropriate references.

 

[durangodawood]

Of course rock n roll is dangerous.
Thats the point!

 

[Chesterton]

Of course rock n roll is dangerous.
Thats the point!

QFT. It prides itself on it. It strives for it.

 

[quatona]

QFT. It prides itself on it. It strives for it.

1. Of course, it all depends on "dangerous to what"? Certainly, pretty much every rebellious movement has some ideas about a better society. The idea of change doesn´t mean "danger for society" - at worst it means danger for society as it exists right now.
2. The fact that rock´n roll prides itself on it and strives for it doesn´t mean it´s successful. That´s where capitalism always wins, by making everything a matter of creating new demand.
3. Rock´n roll can be very conservative, very backward, very stabilizing to the system - especially when it has become nostalgia.
4. I´m playing rock music, and I don´t pride myself on nor strive for being dangerous to society.

 

[quatona]

All things considered, great first post.

Yes. Although I don´t understand why he agreed to write the first post (which comes down to countering arguments that hadn´t even been made).