Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[Michael]

And atheists have learned enough to see all of the contradictions in theistic beliefs. By the way when you know something there is no more a possibility of personal choice in belief.

Likewise, those who lack belief in Lambda-CDM have learned enough about astronomy to see all the contradictions and failures of that theory, and they know perfectly well where all the skeletons are buried.

That's all the more reason why you should educate yourself to Birkeland's work by actually *reading* it rather than getting all your opinions of his work from some random unpublished website in cyberspace. You can see for yourself that it actually *works in the lab*, and produces aurora, a corona, and electrical discharges around both spheres.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Likewise, those who lack belief in Lambda-CDM that learned enough about astronomy to see all the contradictions and failures of that theory, and they know perfectly well where all the skeletons are buried.

That's all the more reason why you should educate yourself to Birkeland's work by actually *reading* it rather than getting all your opinions of his work from some random website in cyberspace. You can see for yourself that it actually *works in the lab*, and produces aurora, a corona, and electrical discharges around both spheres.

Sorry, but you have not been able to show any of the physicists wrong in this matter. And weren't you banned from Physics forums? We were going to go over some of the basics in case you forgot. Once we do that then you we can start to discuss higher levels of physics.

 

[Michael]

Sorry, but this only shows that you do not understand the concept of evidence. You sadly do not even understand what empirical evidence is. People here can help you with that.

I know full well what "evidence" is as the term is used in "science". I also know full well that it's not a purely empirical standard as you keep insisting must be used *only* as it relates to the topic of God. It just shows the hypocritical nature of atheism as it relates to "evidence". Evidence in "science" has never been limited to *direct empirical* cause/effect evidence, and it's unlikely to *ever* be limited that oversimplified definition that atheists *insist* must be applied to the topic of God, and no other topic under the sun.

 

[Michael]

Sorry, but you have not been able to show any of the physicists wrong in this matter.

It's not technically even my job to demonstrate that it's wrong, it's your job to demonstrate it's right. FYI, you can add CresstI and CresstII results to the the list of *failures* to find dark matter in the lab to that list that I gave you earlier.

And weren't you banned from Physics forums?

I can't recall if I was banned there or not. Pretty much any form of cosmology heresy is a hanging offense at many astronomy forums. It's possible, but I don't recall posting there very often if ever. I seem to recall asking a question there, but I can't even recall what handle I used anymore.

We were going to go over some of the basics in case you forgot. Once we do that then you we can start to discuss higher levels of physics.

That's an almost laughable statement considering all the basic physics that Birkeland demonstrated in a lab, and that the mainstream (and you) forgot, or likely never read in your case.

I handed you a long list of published peer reviewed papers and articles that you are welcome to comment on. You're also welcome to comment on any of the Cresst results if you prefer. Pick any of those failed lab tests or stellar mass miscount revelations and explain to me why I should continue to hold belief in exotic forms of matter.

 

[Michael]

No, it is only evidence that the Bible has some good advice. It is hardly evidence that the Bible is true. And yes, for almost all matters of ethics you will find that atheists do better than Christians. Let's start with something obvious. Atheists are far underrepresented in prison. Since they are roughly 5% of the population if they were just as bad as Christians one would find about 5% of the prisoners in federal prisons to be atheists. Instead they are an amazingly low 0.07%:

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...americas-scientists-and-07-percent-its-prison.

Interesting statistic. One has to wonder if it's simply more physically dangerous to identify oneself as an "atheist" in prison, and therefore some atheists elect to identify with some religious affiliation for their own physical safety. It also makes you wonder if atheists who hit rock bottom don't simply "see the light" and start identifying with one religion or another while in prison.

 

[Michael]

Why do you think that man could not understand the difference between good and evil himself. It really is not that hard of a concept. You only need to realize that you could be on the other side of any situation.

See, even atheists apply the golden rule principle.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Interesting statistic. One has to wonder if it's simply more physically dangerous to identify oneself as an "atheist" in prison, and therefore some atheists elect to identify with some religious affiliation for their own physical safety. It also makes you wonder if atheists who hit rock bottom don't simply "see the light" and start identifying with one religion or another while in prison.

Or, more likely, atheists are generally too bright and come from better homes so that breaking the law is not an attraction. Most people in prison are from homes where there was no father. It is a bigger factor than race. Drug use and drug dealing are big factors too. Still the amazingly low number of atheists in prison should tell you something. I don't think the answers are the one that you gave. You forgot that most atheists have already seen the light. That is why they are atheists after all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

See, even atheists apply the golden rule principle.

Of course. You do know that the golden rule was not a Christian invention, don't you? It is simple logic that was known long before Jesus came along and developed independently in several different areas.

 

[katerinah1947]

Or, more likely, atheists are generally too bright and come from better homes so that breaking the law is not an attraction. Most people in prison are from homes where there was no father. It is a bigger factor than race. Drug use and drug dealing are big factors too. Still the amazingly low number of atheists in prison should tell you something. I don't think the answers are the one that you gave. You forgot that most atheists have already seen the light. That is why they are atheists after all.

Hi,

@joshua 1 9 , actually Knows God, at least he knows some things about Him, personally. @Michael , may also but I have less time with him, so I am uncertain, still.

Both Joshua and Michael are talking about some things in science, that they do not understand.

You though are talking about some things in Religion, and possibly God also, that you don't understand.

LOVE,

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hi,

@joshua 1 9 , actually Knows God, at least he knows some things about Him, personally. @Michael , may also but I have less time with him, so I am uncertain, still.

Both Joshua and Michael are talking about some things in science, that they do not understand.

You though are talking about some things in Religion, and possibly God also, that you don't understand.

LOVE,

What makes you think that I do not understand God? Or religion for that matter? The saying goes that the fastest road to atheism is understanding the Bible.

 

[katerinah1947]

Of course. You do know that the golden rule was not a Christian invention, don't you? It is simple logic that was known long before Jesus came along and developed independently in several different areas.

Hi,

The idea of The Golden Rule, as it is understood by non Christians, and even some Christians, has a Bible reference that precedes, The Birth Of Jesus.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

What makes you think that I do not understand God? Or religion for that matter? The saying goes that the fastest road to atheism is understanding the Bible.

Hi,

You don't seem to.

Your view of religion, seems to be that as taught in college.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

What makes you think that I do not understand God? Or religion for that matter? The saying goes that the fastest road to atheism is understanding the Bible.

Hi,

Or am I mixing you up with somebody else?

LOVE,

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hi,

The idea of The Golden Rule, as it is understood by non Christians, and even some Christians, has a Bible reference that precedes, The Birth Of Jesus.

LOVE,

And it can be found in all major religions in the world. It is not a Christian invention.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hi,

Or am I mixing you up with somebody else?

LOVE,

Probably since we have not had any discussions that I can think of.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hi,

You don't seem to.

Your view of religion, seems to be that as taught in college.

LOVE,

What is your "understanding" of religion? Are you a literalist or do you agree with reality?

 

[katerinah1947]

Probably since we have not had any discussions that I can think of.

Hi,

It wouldn't be the first time, and I am sorry if I screwed this up.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

What is your "understanding" of religion? Are you a literalist or do you agree with reality?

Hi,

My view of Religion is, whatever is provably true is true.

LOVE,

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hi,

It wouldn't be the first time, and I am sorry if I screwed this up.

LOVE,

I could say that I have not done this, but that would not be true

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hi,

My view of Religion is, whatever is provably true is true.

LOVE,

Interesting. Yet practically nothing in religion is provable.