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Does Science Agree With the Bible?

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Hmmm, good point.

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Good post and I agree.......

Isaiah !
16 Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.
17 Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed [a]
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.
18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the good things of the land;
20 but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.





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I was thinking more on the lines of when you are supposed to take people and stone them, including your own children if they were disobedient enough. If they have a different religious belief you are supposed to stone people, if they participate in sex acts that you don't like personally you are supposed to stone them, if you think that they use witchcraft, and of course the aforementioned disobedient children.

True morality comes from within, not from the Bible.
 
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Don't be foolish. I am not ignoring any physics done in the lab. And you are amazingly ignorant since the standard model has not failed all tests. In fact it has not failed any. You don't even seem to know what failing a test is in physics.

You mean *other* than every "test" of dark matter theory at LHC, LUX, PandaX, AMDX, Cresst and those electron roundness "tests"? You mean *besides* all those "tests" of their baryonic galaxy mass estimates used in 2006? Holy cow. Talk about pure denial. Did you even read any of those links I handed you?

Sorry by you are simply wrong again, you don't seem to know what failure is in physics.

Oh yes I do because unlike you I actually follow the topic and pay attention to the results of the "tests" they conduct.

I tell you what Mike, when you are ready to start over again and actually learn physics we can discuss this.

Have you even read a textbook on MHD theory? It's comical to have you tell me that I need to learn physics. All the physics I put my faith in actually works in the lab.

Otherwise I will simply ignore you as essential saltes does. You sadly have a high school level of physics understanding at best.

Apparently you simply can't handle the debate so you're going for the low road of personal attack. Cosmology theory in general is way beyond high school level physics. It's not even taught in high school in most cases. Get over yourself.

Edit: You have so many errors in this post that I am demoting you. If you want to discuss physics you need to bring up one point at a time. For example you were totally wrong about Einstein and what GR tells us about the universe.

What part was I wrong about in your opinion? Be specific.

The work of Hubble and Lemaitre were enough to make Einstein realize that he was wrong in entering a fudge factor into GR, which he did because it predicts an expanding universe. He tried to convince Hubble that he was wrong about thinking that the distant galaxies had actual velocity. He knew that red shift was due to the universe expanding and not velocity. That is how expansion faster than the speed of light is possible.

Oy Vey. Where to start......

When Einstein developed GR, the "popular" cosmology theory of the time was a *static* universe model. This bothered Einstein because in a limited size universe (infinite or fractal universe is another story), it's not really "stable" in a purely gravity driven environment. Einstein therefore added a "non zero constant" which could be anything, including EM fields, to explain why it remained "stable" over time. No expansion or contraction was required in GR.

Einstein originally *rejected* Lamaitre's claims about "space expansion" based on the fact that it *grossly* violates the principle of conservation of energy, but indeed Einstein did have to grudgingly admit that it was a *mathematical possibility* in GR. That doesn't mean however that it's a *requirement* of GR.

The irony here is that you've demonstrated my key point *perfectly*. Nobody has ever shown you a photon that was redshifted in a lab by "space expansion", or ever demonstrated empirically to you that faster than C expansion is possible. You simply "have faith" in a concept that you cannot demonstrate empirically in any lab on Earth. Why then do you lack belief in *alleged* cause/effect claims related to the topic of God? "Space expansion" is *assumed*, it's never been shown to have any tangible effect on any photon in any experiment on Earth!

Atheists *constantly* believe in stuff that fails to have empirical justification in a lab *so long as* it's *not* related to the topic of God. They apply two completely different standards of evidence to the topic of God than are used in "science" and they misrepresent their skepticism as being "scientific". There is cause/effect justification for claiming "space expansion did it" with respect to photon redshift. It's an "act of faith" that defies empirical cause/effect justification in the lab.
 
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You mean *other* than every "test" of dark matter theory at LHC, LUX, PandaX, AMDX, Cresst and those electron roundness "tests"? You mean *besides* all those "tests" of their baryonic galaxy mass estimates used in 2006? Holy cow. Talk about pure denial. Did you even read any of those links I handed you?



Oh yes I do because unlike you I actually follow the topic and pay attention to the results of the "tests" they conduct.



Have you even read a textbook on MHD theory? It's comical to have you tell me that I need to learn physics. All the physics I put my faith in actually works in the lab.



Apparently you simply can't handle the debate so you're going for the low road of personal attack. Cosmology theory in general is way beyond high school level physics. It's not even taught in high school in most cases. Get over yourself.



What part was I wrong about in your opinion? Be specific.



Oy Vey. Where to start......

When Einstein developed GR, the "popular" cosmology theory of the time was a *static* universe model. This bothered Einstein because in a limited size universe (infinite or fractal universe is another story), it's not really "stable" in a purely gravity driven environment. Einstein therefore added a "non zero constant" which could be anything, including EM fields, to explain why it remained "stable" over time.

Einstein originally *rejected* Lamaitre's claim based on the fact that grossly violates the principle of conservation of energy, but indeed he did have to grudgingly admit that it was a *mathematical possibility* in GR. That doesn't mean however that it's a *requirement* of GR.

The irony here is that you've demonstrated my key point *perfectly*. Nobody has ever shown you a photon that was redshifted in a lab by "space expansion", or ever demonstrated empirically to you that faster than C expansion is possible. You simply "have faith" in a concept that you cannot demonstrate empirically in any lab on Earth. Why then do you lack belief in *alleged* cause/effect claims related to the topic of God? "Space expansion" is *assumed*, it's never been shown to have any tangible effect on any photon in any experiment on Earth!

Atheists *constantly* believe in stuff that fails to have empirical justification in a lab *so long as* it's *not* related to the topic of God. They apply two completely different standards of evidence to the topic of God than are used in "science" and they misrepresent their skepticism as being "scientific". There is cause/effect justification for claiming "space expansion did it" with respect to photon redshift. It's an "act of faith" that defies empirical cause/effect justification in the lab.
Too long did not read. The simple fact is that you either do not understand science or you twist it. Bring up your claims one at a time and we can discuss them. You have a tendency to blow up posts excessively when you are wrong.

Try again.
 
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Too long did not read. The simple fact is that you either do not understand science or you twist it. Bring up your claims one at a time and we can discuss them. You have a tendency to blow up posts excessively when you are wrong.

Try again.

In other words, you've made up you mind, you're not interested in any "test" of those claims nor are you interested in any "results" of those "tests". Denial at it's finest. Every single test of dark matter performed since 2006 has been a complete and utter *disaster* for the mainstream. They *grossly* underestimated the number of stars in galaxies in 2006 by a whopping factor of between 3 and 20, and they were clueless about all the mass inside million degree plasma around every galaxy in 2006. Worse yet, every dark matter "experiment" done at LHC, LUX, Pandax, AMDx, Cresst and the electron roundness "tests" all *defied* their "predictions"!

You won't even be bothered to look at the test or the outcome of those tests because you can't handle the results of those tests and your beliefs failed all those tests.
 
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Lambda-CDM - EU/PC Theory - Confirmation Bias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

It seems to me that there are four basic "supernatural" (not naturally occurring on Earth) components to Lambda-CDM, virtually all of which have been *falsified* by satellite measurements from space over the past decade. The observation of confirmation bias over the past decade is simply astounding as it relates to Lambda-CDM.

Dark matter

In 2006, "dark matter" proponents claimed that lensing data supported the existence of an *exotic* form of matter. Their grandiose claims about the supposed existence of supernatural forms of matter were of course *entirely* dependent upon the *assumption* that their baryonic galaxy mass estimation techniques were accurate in 2006, and therefore any "missing mass' was necessarily found in a *non baryonic* form of matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_Cluster

Since 2006 however, there have been five major revelations of a systematic problem with their flawed calculation of stellar masses that are present in various galaxies and galaxy clusters:

1) Two years later in 2008, they "discovered" that they've been underestimating the amount of scattering taking place in the IGM, and the universe is actually at least *twice as bright* as they *assumed*, leading to an *underestimation* of stellar mass:

http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/news/archiv ... 439,en.php

Keep in mind that their entire basis for the baryonic mass calculation of stellar masses relates back to galaxy brightness. They blew the brightness aspect by a factor of two.

2) They "discovered" a year later that they've been using a *flawed* method of 'guestimating" the number of smaller stars that cannot be directly observed at a distance, compared to the larger mass stars that we actually can observe at a distance. They underestimated stellar counts of stars the size of our sun by a factor of 4. and all of it was *ordinary baryonic material*! Ooops....

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex ... 90819.html

3) The following year in 2010, they 'discovered" that they've been underestimating the most *common* sized star (dwarf stars) in various galaxies by a *whopping* factor of between 3 and 20 depending on the galaxy type. Again, they grossly underestimated the *normal baryonic material* that is present in galaxies. Oooopsy......

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/ ... ion-stars/

4) Two years after that, in 2012, they 'discovered' more ordinary baryonic matter *surrounding* every galaxy that exist inside of the stars themselves. In fact they discovered more ordinary baryonic matter in 2012 than had been ''discovered' since the dawn of human history.

http://chandra.harvard.edu/blog/node/398

5) Last year in 2014 they also "discovered" that they underestimated the number of stars *between galaxies*, particularly galaxies undergoing a collision process like that Bullet Cluster study:

http://www.realclearscience.com/journal ... 08929.html

There's been at least *five* revelations of *serious* baryonic mass underestimation problems used in that 2006 lensing study that claimed to find 'proof' of exotic forms of matter. They didn't prove any such thing in 2006. All they *actually* "proved" was that their baryonic mass estimation techniques were *worthless* in 2006 as at least five major discoveries have since *verified*. Note also that their stellar mass underestimates are congruent with their finding that most of the 'missing mass' which they called "dark matter' simply "passed on through" the collision process. Since stars are spread so far apart, they don't typically 'collide' in a galaxy collision, and therefore mass contained in stars, including all the stars they forgot to count, would indeed pass right on through that Bullet Cluster collision just as they observed in their lensing patterns.

Now if there was any doubt about their ordinary mass estimation problems, let's look at how they did in the lab with respect to exotic matter claims since 2006:

1) LHC *destroyed* every single "popular" brand of SUSY theory and we're left with whatever is sitting at the bottom of the barrel. In fact the whole thing has become a SUSY theory of the gaps claim

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20300100

2) LUX experiments demonstrated that the mainstream poured tons of money down a hole in the ground and found exactly *zero* evidence of exotic matter as they erroneously *predicted*.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/new ... s-up-empty

3) PandaX experiments also verified that the mainstream has a bad habit of pouring money down a hole and coming up empty:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 092814.php

4) They "tested" some other predictions related to electron roundness, and again they *falsified* every prediction they made:

http://news.discovery.com/space/perfect ... 131219.htm

If the *numerous* revelations of *gross* baryonic mass underestimation in 2006 wasn't bad enough, they've already falsified every "popular" brand of exotic matter that they put forth since 2006. In at least nine different ways, they've either *destroyed* their own claims about the accuracy of their baryonic mass estimates they used in 2006, or they falsified every so called 'prediction" that they ever made about exotic matter in the lab.

Dark Energy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

The entire basis of their 'dark energy' claims is based upon the *presumption* that all SN1A events act as "standard candles' and occur pretty much exactly the same way, every single time. Since their original claims however, several studies have since undermined their claim that SN1A events are all the same, and are really 'standard candles' as they *assumed*:

1) Major studies done as far back as 2011 cast serious doubt on their dubious claim about 'standard candles' that apparently aren't standard after all:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitz ... 10112.html

2) A more recent study verifies that standard candles aren't really 'standard' after all as well:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 041015.php

Note that dark energy makes up almost 70 percent of their entire theory, meaning that the *vast* majority of their theory rests upon a now *falsified* premise!

Inflation

Inflation theory was all the rage again last year when the mainstream made *ridiculous* and grandiose claims about having 5+ sigma confidence that the polarized light patterns they observed were caused by inflation and gravity waves.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26605974

Guth even make claims about it being Nobel Prize worthy work. They called it the "smoking gun" for inflation.

Of course the *entire* claims was based upon their "assumption' that they could rule out other very *ordinary* causes of polarized light patterns, and that 'assumption' fell completely apart by the time the paper passed the peer review process. Despite all the outrageous hype, it turns out that *ordinary dust* around out own galaxy is the likely culprit, not inflation:

http://www.space.com/28423-cosmic-infla ... -dust.html

That leaves inflation's only claim to fame it's '"prediction' of homogenous layout of matter, and even *that* claim has been blown out of the water by Planck's revelation of a hemispheric variations in the CMB and "cold spots'.

http://sci.esa.int/planck/51559-hemisph ... ackground/

There's really *nothing left standing* of Lambda-CDM after the revelations of the past decade. The whole thing was based upon *now falsified* premises, none of which the mainstream has come to terms with. They're simply in denial at this point.

I think this also brings up a good question with respect to EU/PC theory, particularly since it's in it's infancy at the moment and there are multiple viewpoints and multiple theories to choose from within EU/PC theory. How are *we* as a community going to avoid the same problem of confirmation bias with respect to various 'electric' solar models to choose from, and with respect to various ideas put forth within the framework of EU/PC theory?
 
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In other words, you've made up you mind, you're not interested in any "test" of those claims nor are you interested in any "results" of those "tests". Denial at it's finest. Every single test of dark matter performed since 2006 has been a complete and utter *disaster* for the mainstream. They *grossly* underestimated the number of stars in galaxies in 2006 by a whopping factor of between 3 and 20, and they were clueless about all the mass inside million degree plasma around every galaxy in 2006. Worse yet, every dark matter "experiment" done at LHC, LUX, Pandax, AMDx, Cresst and the electron roundness "tests" all *defied* their "predictions"!

You won't even be bothered to look at the test or the outcome of those tests because you can't handle the results of those tests and your beliefs failed all those tests.
Sorry, but you were not honest in your first sentence. I stopped reading at that point.

Try again.
 
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Lambda-CDM - EU/PC Theory - Confirmation Bias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

It seems to me that there are four basic "supernatural" (not naturally occurring on Earth) components to Lambda-CDM, virtually all of which have been *falsified* by satellite measurements from space over the past decade. The observation of confirmation bias over the past decade is simply astounding as it relates to Lambda-CDM.

Dark matter

In 2006, "dark matter" proponents claimed that lensing data supported the existence of an *exotic* form of matter. Their grandiose claims about the supposed existence of supernatural forms of matter were of course *entirely* dependent upon the *assumption* that their baryonic galaxy mass estimation techniques were accurate in 2006, and therefore any "missing mass' was necessarily found in a *non baryonic* form of matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_Cluster

Since 2006 however, there have been five major revelations of a systematic problem with their flawed calculation of stellar masses that are present in various galaxies and galaxy clusters:

1) Two years later in 2008, they "discovered" that they've been underestimating the amount of scattering taking place in the IGM, and the universe is actually at least *twice as bright* as they *assumed*, leading to an *underestimation* of stellar mass:

http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/news/archiv ... 439,en.php

Keep in mind that their entire basis for the baryonic mass calculation of stellar masses relates back to galaxy brightness. They blew the brightness aspect by a factor of two.

2) They "discovered" a year later that they've been using a *flawed* method of 'guestimating" the number of smaller stars that cannot be directly observed at a distance, compared to the larger mass stars that we actually can observe at a distance. They underestimated stellar counts of stars the size of our sun by a factor of 4. and all of it was *ordinary baryonic material*! Ooops....

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex ... 90819.html

3) The following year in 2010, they 'discovered" that they've been underestimating the most *common* sized star (dwarf stars) in various galaxies by a *whopping* factor of between 3 and 20 depending on the galaxy type. Again, they grossly underestimated the *normal baryonic material* that is present in galaxies. Oooopsy......

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/ ... ion-stars/

4) Two years after that, in 2012, they 'discovered' more ordinary baryonic matter *surrounding* every galaxy that exist inside of the stars themselves. In fact they discovered more ordinary baryonic matter in 2012 than had been ''discovered' since the dawn of human history.

http://chandra.harvard.edu/blog/node/398

5) Last year in 2014 they also "discovered" that they underestimated the number of stars *between galaxies*, particularly galaxies undergoing a collision process like that Bullet Cluster study:

http://www.realclearscience.com/journal ... 08929.html

There's been at least *five* revelations of *serious* baryonic mass underestimation problems used in that 2006 lensing study that claimed to find 'proof' of exotic forms of matter. They didn't prove any such thing in 2006. All they *actually* "proved" was that their baryonic mass estimation techniques were *worthless* in 2006 as at least five major discoveries have since *verified*. Note also that their stellar mass underestimates are congruent with their finding that most of the 'missing mass' which they called "dark matter' simply "passed on through" the collision process. Since stars are spread so far apart, they don't typically 'collide' in a galaxy collision, and therefore mass contained in stars, including all the stars they forgot to count, would indeed pass right on through that Bullet Cluster collision just as they observed in their lensing patterns.

Now if there was any doubt about their ordinary mass estimation problems, let's look at how they did in the lab with respect to exotic matter claims since 2006:

1) LHC *destroyed* every single "popular" brand of SUSY theory and we're left with whatever is sitting at the bottom of the barrel. In fact the whole thing has become a SUSY theory of the gaps claim

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20300100

2) LUX experiments demonstrated that the mainstream poured tons of money down a hole in the ground and found exactly *zero* evidence of exotic matter as they erroneously *predicted*.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/new ... s-up-empty

3) PandaX experiments also verified that the mainstream has a bad habit of pouring money down a hole and coming up empty:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 092814.php

4) They "tested" some other predictions related to electron roundness, and again they *falsified* every prediction they made:

http://news.discovery.com/space/perfect ... 131219.htm

If the *numerous* revelations of *gross* baryonic mass underestimation in 2006 wasn't bad enough, they've already falsified every "popular" brand of exotic matter that they put forth since 2006. In at least nine different ways, they've either *destroyed* their own claims about the accuracy of their baryonic mass estimates they used in 2006, or they falsified every so called 'prediction" that they ever made about exotic matter in the lab.

Dark Energy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

The entire basis of their 'dark energy' claims is based upon the *presumption* that all SN1A events act as "standard candles' and occur pretty much exactly the same way, every single time. Since their original claims however, several studies have since undermined their claim that SN1A events are all the same, and are really 'standard candles' as they *assumed*:

1) Major studies done as far back as 2011 cast serious doubt on their dubious claim about 'standard candles' that apparently aren't standard after all:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitz ... 10112.html

2) A more recent study verifies that standard candles aren't really 'standard' after all as well:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 041015.php

Note that dark energy makes up almost 70 percent of their entire theory, meaning that the *vast* majority of their theory rests upon a now *falsified* premise!

Inflation

Inflation theory was all the rage again last year when the mainstream made *ridiculous* and grandiose claims about having 5+ sigma confidence that the polarized light patterns they observed were caused by inflation and gravity waves.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26605974

Guth even make claims about it being Nobel Prize worthy work. They called it the "smoking gun" for inflation.

Of course the *entire* claims was based upon their "assumption' that they could rule out other very *ordinary* causes of polarized light patterns, and that 'assumption' fell completely apart by the time the paper passed the peer review process. Despite all the outrageous hype, it turns out that *ordinary dust* around out own galaxy is the likely culprit, not inflation:

http://www.space.com/28423-cosmic-infla ... -dust.html

That leaves inflation's only claim to fame it's '"prediction' of homogenous layout of matter, and even *that* claim has been blown out of the water by Planck's revelation of a hemispheric variations in the CMB and "cold spots'.

http://sci.esa.int/planck/51559-hemisph ... ackground/

There's really *nothing left standing* of Lambda-CDM after the revelations of the past decade. The whole thing was based upon *now falsified* premises, none of which the mainstream has come to terms with. They're simply in denial at this point.

I think this also brings up a good question with respect to EU/PC theory, particularly since it's in it's infancy at the moment and there are multiple viewpoints and multiple theories to choose from within EU/PC theory. How are *we* as a community going to avoid the same problem of confirmation bias with respect to various 'electric' solar models to choose from, and with respect to various ideas put forth within the framework of EU/PC theory?


I see that you have a copy and paste of science that you did not understand. Too long did not read. Try again.
 
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I see that you have a copy and paste of science that you did not understand. Too long did not read. Try again.

Oh I understand it quite well, mainly because I bothered to actually read it and pay attention to the results.

FYI, your statement from the other thread demonstrates my key point perfectly:

Sorry, but direct evidence is not needed to explain things by our laws. Where did you get that crazy idea from? And of course black holes are supported by evidence, again you do not understand what is and what is not evidence.

You're using an *indirect* (non empirically demonstrated) standard of evidence as it relates to topics of science, and a purely *empirical* standard of evidence as it relates to the topic of God. Pure hypocrisy on a stick, and pretty funny considering your claim about understanding the concept of "evidence". You reject any "indirect" evidence of the effect of God on human beings, but you blindly and willingly accept indirect evidence related to any other topic under the sun.
 
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Sorry, but you were not honest in your first sentence. I stopped reading at that point.

Try again.

If you were actually interested in any "tests" you would have read through the links that describe those tests and the outcome of those tests. You won't even read them or comment on the results.
 
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Oh I understand it quite well, mainly because I bothered to actually read it and pay attention to the results.

FYI, your statement from the other thread demonstrates my key point perfectly:



You're using an *indirect* (non empirically demonstrated) standard of evidence as it relates to topics of science, and a purely *empirical* standard of evidence as it relates to the topic of God. Pure hypocrisy on a stick, and pretty funny considering your claim about understanding the concept of "evidence". You reject any "indirect" evidence of the effect of God on human beings, but you blindly and willingly accept indirect evidence related to any other topic under the sun.
Sorry, but you do not even know what empirical evidence is. Mike, when your understanding of science is this poor no wonder that you gobble up the garbage that you do.

Read my sig, it will help you on the concept of evidence.
 
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If you were actually interested in any "tests" you would have read through the links that describe those tests and the outcome of those tests. You won't even read them or comment on the results.
I have better things to do than to go over science that you do not understand. First you need to learn what evidence is. Then we can move on from there.
 
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Sorry, but you do not even know what empirical evidence is.

Pfft. Your entire debate style is not related to providing (or even reading) published peer reviewed material related to the topic. Instead you're attempting to smear the individual. That's just sad. I can empirically demonstrate the cause/effect relationship between inelastic scattering and photon redshift in real labs. Pity you can't do that with "space expansion".

Mike, when your understanding of science is this poor no wonder that you gobble up the garbage that you do.

Birkeland's ideas all worked in the lab. There's nothing "garbage" about a working model.

Read my sig, it will help you on the concept of evidence.

Pfft. You're not even applying the same standards of evidence to the topic of God that scientists apply to topics of "science". It's pretty clear that you're simply moving the goalposts with respect to what counts as "evidence" the moment we get to the topic of God. That's typical atheist behavior.
 
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Pfft. You're entire debate style is not related to providing (or even reading) material related to the topic. Instead you're attempting to smear the individual. That's just sad. I can empirically demonstrate the cause/effect relationship between inelastic scattering and photon redshift in real labs. Pity you can't do that with "space expansion".



Birkeland's ideas all worked in the lab. There's nothing "garbage" about a working model.



Pfft. You're not even apply the same standards of evidence to the topic of God that scientist apply to topics of "science". It's pretty clear that you're simply moving the goalposts with respect to what counts as "evidence" the moment we get to the topic of God. That's typical atheist behavior.
You were not honest in your first sentence again. I read no furher.

Try again.
 
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You were not honest in your first sentence again. I read no furher.

Try again.

If you won't be bothered to read the published and peer reviewed outcome of your own so called "tests", or comment on those results, what is there to talk about?
 
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If you won't be bothered to read the published and peer reviewed outcome of your own so called "tests", what is there to talk about?
That is simply incorrect. You are not at a point where we can discuss those matters yet. Baby steps Mike.
 
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That is simply incorrect. You are not at a point where we can discuss those matters yet. Baby steps Mike.

We're not at that point yet because you won't be bothered to read any of it, let alone comment on those "tests". I can't force you to take "baby steps".
 
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