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[Riberra]

The short time is given in Revelation 13:5 -and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.-
Revelation 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

That is the same 1260 year period of time. The dark ages.

The forty and two months mentionned in Revelation 13:5 seem rather used to tell us that the Reign of the Beast will be literally spend during -forty and two months- made of a literal amount of 1260 days mornings and evenings based on the lunar calendar 1 month =30 days---> 42X30=1260 days

In 1798 the 1260 years ended - where 50million to 100 million Christians had been killed and that long period of great tribulation ended with the capture of the Pope by the French army, the invasion of Rome - along with the act of revoking the civil authority of the Papacy - subjugating it to the French Empire.

in Christ,

Bob

The Papacy during the dark ages have not fullfillied the prophecy associated with the Reign of the Beast mentioned in Revelation 13:12-18

Revelation 13:12-18
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Maybe, but since they don't know either I am not worried about an attack from the ignoramuses!

Being better at debating is its own reward.

I don't know. Could it be that the firstborn sons referred to children rather than adults who were firstborn?

By the ambiguity of the bible, perhaps. But equally by the ambiguity of the bible, perhaps not. It's impossible to say one way or the other for sure, and neither position has a clear advantage over the other.

Hey maybe they ate the sick horses and cows! Feast! They had lots of gold so how hard would it be to get the traders to get new stuff?

Eating sick animals makes people sick. And traders were seasonal in ancient times, and their wares limited. No traders could make up for the losses the plagues caused.

I wonder if that firstborn thing could possibly have referred to kids, say 12 and under? If that were the case, then the military would not be impacted at all.

The military long term would have been impacted; there would be a point in Egyptian history in which most men were either too old or too young to be fit for battle.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Dreams are important and can be a place God really talks to us. Joseph in the bible was warned to flee to Egypt, saving their lives, for example. But that was clear...real. When we just have some bits of strange stuff in some random dream, I am careful about trying to base too much on that. In a case where we have bad dreams for a long time, that sounds like demonic interference and we really need to pray to have good dreams.

The only "demonic interference" that messed up my dreams was an ADHD medication. When I switched to a new medication, the insanely bad nightmares ceased entirely. I am talking up to 5 remembered terrible dreams a night.

I only ever had one dream that could be considered to have religious relevance; at the age of eight, I dreamt of a world completely in white that my mind interpreted as "heaven". It had no god, Jesus, or defined angels in it though, and all I could see of any other presence was hands.

In hindsight, it sounds like a very creepy dream.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Ha. I think it's in heaven. Never lost but taken when Christ died from the holy of holies back to heaven. Just an opinion, but I doubt anyone could overthrow it.

Your theory would be disproven if the ark was discovered.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The Ark is a bit different because of the need to protect people from the Ark rather then the usual issue of having to protect artifacts from the people that want to destroy the evidence.

That doesn't change the fact that its current location remains uncertain.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That doesn't change the fact that its current location remains uncertain.

Yes and that is my point that a lot of things are hidden away right now to protect them from people that want to destroy the truth. They will be on display during the 1,000 year reign of Christ for everyone to see and examine.

 

[dad]

Being better at debating is its own reward.

Well, from the bible we can get the aprox time.

By the ambiguity of the bible, perhaps. But equally by the ambiguity of the bible, perhaps not. It's impossible to say one way or the other for sure, and neither position has a clear advantage over the other.

There is not really another position, just baseless doubts.

Eating sick animals makes people sick. And traders were seasonal in ancient times, and their wares limited. No traders could make up for the losses the plagues caused.

Not all sick cows would be seriouly harmful to man would they? I assume it depends on what they were sick with. Traders could possibly have had a way to expedite trade. After all we are not talking about war on all fronts the day after theylost their chariots.

The military long term would have been impacted; there would be a point in Egyptian history in which most men were either too old or too young to be fit for battle.

? Most men?

 

[dad]

Your theory would be disproven if the ark was discovered.

Good luck with that! I did hear rumors years ago that a replica existed in Ethiopia, and was secreted to Israel around the time Jews were being airlifted from there. That could fool some I suppose.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes and that is my point that a lot of things are hidden away right now to protect them from people that want to destroy the truth. They will be on display during the 1,000 year reign of Christ for everyone to see and examine.

You seem awfully confident that whatever's in the Ark is going to help your case... suppose the opposite is true?

 

[KarateCowboy]

The Cosmos is a reflection of what God is. That is it's purpose. He's that big.

for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened

This is a very interesting thought, which I have been wrestling with. Over the last year or so I have wondered why a Creator would put so much energy into the Universe around us, with no apparent purpose. I have been trying to reconcile that with Church teaching that Jesus wants a relationship with us. I think about the humongous soundwaves of asteroids smashing into each other in space. I think : the sound energy released in a couple of those easily dwarfs what it would take God to communicate audibly with us. So, I get frustrated.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Good luck with that! I did hear rumors years ago that a replica existed in Ethiopia, and was secreted to Israel around the time Jews were being airlifted from there. That could fool some I suppose.

I never said I was going to try to find it, just saying that it is possible that someone could find it.

 

[dad]

I never said I was going to try to find it, just saying that it is possible that someone could find it.

I disagree, and if anyone claims they have it I say it is a fake or a replica.

Now if armies are slain by it, and cows leave their calves to pull a wagon containing it right to Israel, etc etc...I might reconsider.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, from the bible we can get the aprox time.

Meh. I don't really have much to say from that without you giving me the range of possible years.

There is not really another position, just baseless doubts.

I think ambiguity in statements made by the bible in and of itself makes it reasonable to doubt one's personal interpretations.

Not all sick cows would be seriouly harmful to man would they? I assume it depends on what they were sick with. Traders could possibly have had a way to expedite trade. After all we are not talking about war on all fronts the day after theylost their chariots.

Many illnesses damage the meat or make it infectious to humans, should it not be prepared properly. Some illnesses could have even made it rot while the cow was still alive. For people that didn't know what caused disease, eating the meat would be a huge gamble. I also think traders would have probably wanted to avoid going to Egypt after hearing about the plagues.

? Most men?

To be honest, I forget my reasoning for that statement. Probably was flawed.

 

[dad]

Meh. I don't really have much to say from that without you giving me the range of possible years.

A simple search gives this..

"For many years the date of the date of the Exodus has been disputed and the issue has become a major discussion in the realms of Old Testament debate as some feel that issues such as biblical historicity rest upon the matter. There are two main alternatives for the date of the Exodus. An early date in the 15th century around 1450 BCE and a late date in the 13th century around 1270 BCE."

http://biblicalstudies.org.uk/article_exodus_date.html

I think ambiguity in statements made by the bible in and of itself makes it reasonable to doubt one's personal interpretations.

Not me. I figure that many simply refuse to believe and so try to find better dates that fit in their mind with history better.

Many illnesses damage the meat or make it infectious to humans, should it not be prepared properly. Some illnesses could have even made it rot while the cow was still alive. For people that didn't know what caused disease, eating the meat would be a huge gamble. I also think traders would have probably wanted to avoid going to Egypt after hearing about the plagues.

Yet if we simply add the knowns here. we may rule that out. One known factor is that Egypt carried on pretty good. So why not look to explanations that fit reality?

To be honest, I forget my reasoning for that statement. Probably was flawed.

Been there done that.

 

[TLK Valentine]

This is a very interesting thought, which I have been wrestling with. Over the last year or so I have wondered why a Creator would put so much energy into the Universe around us, with no apparent purpose. I have been trying to reconcile that with Church teaching that Jesus wants a relationship with us. I think about the humongous soundwaves of asteroids smashing into each other in space. I think : the sound energy released in a couple of those easily dwarfs what it would take God to communicate audibly with us. So, I get frustrated.

Not to nitpick, but there would be no sound waves in space. Without atmosphere, there's nothing to vibrate.

It would be quite a ruckus if it happened in atmosphere, of course, so I see your point.

 

[dad]

The only "demonic interference" that messed up my dreams was an ADHD medication. When I switched to a new medication, the insanely bad nightmares ceased entirely. I am talking up to 5 remembered terrible dreams a night.

I only ever had one dream that could be considered to have religious relevance; at the age of eight, I dreamt of a world completely in white that my mind interpreted as "heaven". It had no god, Jesus, or defined angels in it though, and all I could see of any other presence was hands.

In hindsight, it sounds like a very creepy dream.

It is true that drugs may not be a great thing to help avoid fearful demonic dreams.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It is true that drugs may not be a great thing to help avoid fearful demonic dreams.

The drugs caused them. Also, demons were not common in my dreams either. Not unless you count Freddy Kruger; he's killed me three times already.

 

[dad]

The drugs caused them. Also, demons were not common in my dreams either. Not unless you count Freddy Kruger; he's killed me three times already.

I do count him. Yes drugs probably make it easier for demonic influence in bad dreams.
If I had to have some I would pray extra hard for dreams.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I do count him. Yes drugs probably make it easier for demonic influence in bad dreams.
If I had to have some I would pray extra hard for dreams.

He sold my entrails on eBay. I had to bid for them. I woke up before a winner was chosen. Literally all I said in the dream was "hey, those are mine, I need those".

 

[dad]

He sold my entrails on eBay. I had to bid for them. I woke up before a winner was chosen. Literally all I said in the dream was "hey, those are mine, I need those".

Always good to keep your inards.