Negative Scientists Fear Aliens and Want us to evacuate Earth

[TLK Valentine]

Some of it is hidden like the Ark of the Covenant is not on display anywhere.

Is that where you're claiming your evidence is?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Is that where you're claiming your evidence is?

My claim is that people want to see the evidence so they can do their best to destroy it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I didn't know that ISIS and the evilutionists were in kahoots.

I have no problem with evolution. I am anti atheism. The comparison is that they want to destroy evidence as if you could destroy the truth along with that evidence. People do not want a reminder that what they are living is a lie. None of us do. That is why it can be difficult to become a Christian because then you have to come out of the darkness, give up your lies and learn how to abide in the truth.

 

[Larniavc]

I have no problem with evolution. I am anti atheism. The comparison is that they want to destroy evidence as if you could destroy the truth along with that evidence. People do not want a reminder that what they are living is a lie. None of us do. That is why it can be difficult to become a Christian because then you have to come out of the darkness, give up your lies and learn how to abide in the truth.

There is no evidence to destroy as you have manfully shown every time anyone has asked you to present evidence.

Do you honestly think a picture of a hammer bashing to a hard drive in anyway counts as evidence?

 

[Nithavela]

There is no evidence to destroy as you have manfully shown every time anyone has asked you to present evidence.

Do you honestly think a picture of a hammer bashing to a hard drive in anyway counts as evidence?

He convinced me.

 

[dad]

Dreams are not always easy to figure out. I had a dream about how my car was broken and all my money was gone. As it turned out my son had the car at that time. I should have prayed and asked God to help me understand the dream. If I had I would not have allowed my son to use the car that day and I could have saved myself a lot of money. Of course there would have been a big fight because he never would have believed what happened was going to happen. I would have never thought it either if I had not had a dream about it ahead of time. So when I told him I have a bad feeling about this you better not go. He just argued with me and assured me not to worry everything was going to be all right. Now he knows maybe he should have listened to me.

Maybe. Or maybe you ate weird food before going to bed..or maybe....

 

[Riberra]

Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 tell us that Satan and his fallen angels will be cast out of Heaven to the Earth

That already happened - Rev 12 talks about the birth of Christ - his ascension into heaven and then 1260 years of the dark ages - persecution of the saints.

Revelation 12 is divided in two part ,it concern the great plan of Satan to interfere into God's plan of Salvation.
Satan tried to kill Jesus as soon as He was born.
Revelation 12:1-6 happened effectively 2,000 years ago when Virgin Mary was warned about the intention of Herode influenced by Satan to kill all the newborns males Jews under the age of 3...
Revelation 12:6
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (3 1/2 years.)Mary and Joseph with their child Jesus fleed into Egypt during 3 1/2 years...

Rev 12
6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.


The saints were persecuted during the dark ages for 1260 YEARS. Just as in the 490 year "70 weeks" of Daniel 9 - they use day-for-a-year timelines in apocalyptic writing.

Wrong at this point Revelation 12:6 the Church did not even exist.As i explained above this talk about when Mary ,Joseph and their child Jesus fleed into Egypt during 3 !/2 years.. 1260 days


Part 2 of Satan's action against God's plan of Salvation ....the restrainer is Michael not the Church....The Church (The Saints) will still be on the Earth when Satan and his fallen angels will be cast out of Heaven down to Earth...

Rev 12
Satan Thrown Out of Heaven
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

The saints were persecuted during the dark ages for 1260 years. Just as in the 490 year "70 weeks" of Daniel 9 - they use day-for-a-year timelines in apocalyptic writing.

How can you call 1260 YEARS a short time ?

The short time is given in Revelation 13:5 -and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.-
Revelation 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

 

[BobRyan]

You must understand, every first born son died on that day, including the adults. Even assuming every family had 5 surviving children with at least 2 males, that would have decimated the fighting force. And don't forget the absolute destruction of the many chariots and soldiers thanks to the Red Sea. Egypt would not have recovered very fast from that.

Well... decimated means "cut down by 1/10th" but still having 90% of their fighting force would not have left them defenseless. And it is not likely that they would have needed 100% of their army to pick up a band of defenseless slaves.

Still it was enough of a blow to Egypt - that 40 years later Rahab in Jericho still talks about this as the great fear that fell upon people in that area when Israel showed up on their front door step.

 

[BobRyan]

Revelation 12 is divided in two part ,it concern the great plan of Satan to interfere into God's plan of Salvation.
Satan tried to kill Jesus as soon as He was born.
Revelation 12:1-6 happened effectively 2,000 years ago when Virgin Mary was warned about the intention of Herode influenced by Satan to kill all the firstborns Jews under the age of 3...
Revelation 12:6
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (3 1/2 years.)Mary and Joseph with their child Jesus fleed into Egypt during 3 1/2 years...

In Rev 12 the woman flees after her child is caught up to heaven -

In the case of Mary and Joseph - they flee to Egypt before Christ ever grows up at all. And experience no persecution at all in Egypt.

The Church of God has existed in every age including the nation church of Israel that started at Sinai -- thus Christ can say in John 4 "Salvation is of the JEWS" and Paul can say in 1 Cor 10 "4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." -- and in Heb 4:1-2 "WE have had the GOSPEL preached to us JUST AS THEY also"

This is the Church of God which in the OT is Israel - and the coming of Christ long predicted. Then Christ born - and then Christ risen taken to heaven. Only after that point is the Church of God persecuted for 1260 years.

Part 2 of Satan's action against God's plan of Salvation ....the restrainer is Michael not the Church

the Church in Rev 12 is the woman who is in the form of the Nation-Church of Israel until the time of Christ and then is in the form of the "persecuted" church after that period of time - including the time spent persecuted for 1260 years in the dark ages. Just as all apocalyptic timelines are day-for-a-year .. including Dan 9 and 490 years. Including Daniel 8 and 2300 years, including Daniel 7 and 1260 years - including Rev 11 and 1260 years, including Rev 12 and 1260 years, including Rev 13 and the same 1260 year period of time being identified - 3 times the book of Revelation.

How can you call 1260 YEARS a short time ?

Life on earth is slightly older than 6000 years and Satan has been around since before that.

The short time is given in Revelation 13:5 -and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.-
Revelation 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

That is the same 1260 year period of time. The dark ages.

In 1798 the 1260 years ended - where 50million to 100 million Christians had been killed and that long period of great tribulation ended with the capture of the Pope by the French army, the invasion of Rome - along with the act of revoking the civil authority of the Papacy - subjugating it to the French Empire.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well... decimated means "cut down by 1/10th" but still having 90% of their fighting force would not have left them defenseless. And it is not likely that they would have needed 100% of their army to pick up a band of defenseless slaves.

Still it was enough of a blow to Egypt - that 40 years later Rahab in Jericho still talks about this as the great fear that fell upon people in that area when Israel showed up on their front door step.

Well, unless the Egyptian military had an atypically high number of non-firstborns in it, it could have easily be cut down by more than 10%.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Maybe. Or maybe you ate weird food before going to bed..or maybe....

Hey, look, another point of agreement between the two of us. Trying to use dreams to predict the future is nonsense. Although, I do think reoccurring trends in dreams can represent anxiety, like the weekly school based nightmares I used to get every Sunday night. The anticipation for school on Monday did not please me.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, I could look at the various suspects for Exodus Pharaoh since the whole thing is somewhat uncertain as to the exact time.

It would serve your points better than just going with a random date you have heard mentioned, especially since you would be aware of any likely points a person would attack in a debate better.

Right, and a lot of those firstborn sons were babies or kids. The actual firstborns of prime military age may have been minimal.

Hard to say. It depends on military policies. Some ancient peoples had systems where the first born sons were practically guaranteed to serve in the military, while in others, they were purposely left out to continue the family name, and still in others, there was no preferential treatment based on order of birth. I don't know what this policy was in Ancient Egypt.

Now I assume that the force chasing the slaves was from one area in Egypt. Egypt was a big country. Not like Pharaoh would send a smoke signal hundreds of miles away and get all the cities and military garrisons to send all their chariots or men on short notice to the red sea area. This was simply a big loss of a major military expedition I suspect.

The chariots would have been the most significant loss, apart from the undetermined number of soldiers lost to the last plague, and the horses put out of commission from the plague that hit them. The fighters that remained would also be in pretty bad shape, thanks to food and water shortages.

?? What does it take to expand? You send in some troops, steal some territory and voila!

It takes more than that. In order to hold territory, you need to be able to march a certain number of people there within a two week period. Overstepping their limits is part of why the Roman Empire fell; it became too big for its military to keep hold of. Egypt would have shrunk significantly thanks to the plagues killing so many people and wreaking the resources.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Some of it is hidden like the Ark of the Covenant is not on display anywhere. There is still an abundance of artifacts for people to study. I have been doing a study of ancient history in the middle east for 50 years now and there is plenty there for everyone to look at. Interesting how evolution-ism wants us to accept their evidence but they do not want to look at the evidence for creationism. They do not want to accept anything that clearly refutes what they want to believe. So it pretty much all comes down to: Show us your evidence so we can do all we can do to destroy it.

The Ark of the Covenant has been lost for centuries. Nobody knows for sure where it is, though many claim to possess it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The Ark of the Covenant has been lost for centuries. Nobody knows for sure where it is, though many claim to possess it.

The Ark is a bit different because of the need to protect people from the Ark rather then the usual issue of having to protect artifacts from the people that want to destroy the evidence.

 

[joshua 1 9]

There is no evidence to destroy as you have manfully shown every time anyone has asked you to present evidence.

Do you honestly think a picture of a hammer bashing to a hard drive in anyway counts as evidence?

My example was of Isis destroying their cultural heritage. Although usually they sell the ancient artifacts on the black market. It is more common that they would scatter antiquity to the wind then to actually go in and destroy it.

 

[dad]

Hey, look, another point of agreement between the two of us. Trying to use dreams to predict the future is nonsense. Although, I do think reoccurring trends in dreams can represent anxiety, like the weekly school based nightmares I used to get every Sunday night. The anticipation for school on Monday did not please me.

Dreams are important and can be a place God really talks to us. Joseph in the bible was warned to flee to Egypt, saving their lives, for example. But that was clear...real. When we just have some bits of strange stuff in some random dream, I am careful about trying to base too much on that. In a case where we have bad dreams for a long time, that sounds like demonic interference and we really need to pray to have good dreams.

 

[dad]

The Ark of the Covenant has been lost for centuries. Nobody knows for sure where it is, though many claim to possess it.

Ha. I think it's in heaven. Never lost but taken when Christ died from the holy of holies back to heaven. Just an opinion, but I doubt anyone could overthrow it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

In a case where we have bad dreams for a long time, that sounds like demonic interference and we really need to pray to have good dreams.

I had that once. I was having problems with bad dreams. They told me to pray the Blood of Jesus over my pillow every night before I went to sleep. I did and that worked for me. I started to sleep real good after that.

 

[dad]

It would serve your points better than just going with a random date you have heard mentioned, especially since you would be aware of any likely points a person would attack in a debate better.

Maybe, but since they don't know either I am not worried about an attack from the ignoramuses!

Hard to say. It depends on military policies. Some ancient peoples had systems where the first born sons were practically guaranteed to serve in the military, while in others, they were purposely left out to continue the family name, and still in others, there was no preferential treatment based on order of birth. I don't know what this policy was in Ancient Egypt.

I don't know. Could it be that the firstborn sons referred to children rather than adults who were firstborn?

The chariots would have been the most significant loss, apart from the undetermined number of soldiers lost to the last plague, and the horses put out of commission from the plague that hit them. The fighters that remained would also be in pretty bad shape, thanks to food and water shortages.

Hey maybe they ate the sick horses and cows! Feast! They had lots of gold so how hard would it be to get the traders to get new stuff?

It takes more than that. In order to hold territory, you need to be able to march a certain number of people there within a two week period. Overstepping their limits is part of why the Roman Empire fell; it became too big for its military to keep hold of. Egypt would have shrunk significantly thanks to the plagues killing so many people and wreaking the resources.

I wonder if that firstborn thing could possibly have referred to kids, say 12 and under? If that were the case, then the military would not be impacted at all.

 

[dad]

I had that once. I was having problems with bad dreams. They told me to pray the Blood of Jesus over my pillow every night before I went to sleep. I did and that worked for me. I started to sleep real good after that.

Right, believers always can run to Jesus when needed. Evil melts away...