Why is God so hidden? Why must we seek Him to Find Him?

[SteveB28]

Its not a natural bodily organ but is instead a spiritual bodily organ. Its that part of us that God gives us. He promises a new heart. Thats what we are seeking, and what we find.

And yet, you cannot identify where this 'other function' resides. All you can ever demonstrate is that a heart pumps blood. The rest, once more, is fairy tales.

As for evidence, i have all i need inside. I know you cant see it, and no you may not dissect me and look inside

you will just need to take my word for it, or not. Im not out to prove anything. God does that himself.

Then it isn't evidence - it's personal belief and conjecture. 'Evidence' is that body of data which can be presented to others for their consideration.

"Just trust me" is not evidence. It is the cry of the snake oil salesman.

 

[Let's go]

Why ..it's a love game. It's so sexy. one tree in a forest

 

[Extraneous]

And yet, you cannot identify where this 'other function' resides. All you can ever demonstrate is that a heart pumps blood. The rest, once more, is fairy tales.



Then it isn't evidence - it's personal belief and conjecture. 'Evidence' is that body of data which can be presented to others for their consideration.

"Just trust me" is not evidence. It is the cry of the snake oil salesman.

I already explained that you wont find evidence because God manifests himself to individuals, as he sees fit. I cannot show you something that only God can show you. This is what the scriptures say as well

If you dont believe then that's fine by me. Why though do you keep asking for something I cannot give you? Please, if you want to see then ask God, only he can give it.

 

[SteveB28]

I already explained that you wont find evidence because God manifests himself to individuals, as he sees fit. I cannot show you something that only God can show you. This is what the scriptures say as well

If you dont believe then that's fine by me. Why though do you keep asking for something I cannot give you? Please, if you want to see then ask God, only he can give it.

Quite simply, because you keep making claims you can't support. Because you tell people like me that we are "too blind" to see the 'spirit world' you fantasise about.

But it goes much further. Armed with your bag of myths, people like you seek to change the world the rest of us inhabit.

 

[Extraneous]

Quite simply, because you keep making claims you can't support. Because you tell people like me that we are "too blind" to see the 'spirit world' you fantasise about.

But it goes much further. Armed with your bag of myths, people like you seek to change the world the rest of us inhabit.

Im not telling you anything you didn't ask me to tell you. I would prefer not to say anything, but you asked.

 

[Let's go]

If you haven't found him then you are lost

 

[Let's go]

You are still blind

 

[SteveB28]

If you haven't found him then you are lost

And if you have not yet found Ganesh, you are also lost.

Do you see how that works?

 

[Davian]

Yes, in my opinion it is.

I was not asking for opinion. If you have no means of discerning your 'god' from the imaginary, I see no reason to conclude otherwise.

As for your questions, while your 'god' has no measurable effect on the world, there are still those that believe in such things that have access to the government of my country, our school system, and my children, and I come here to learn about them, and how they react when their beliefs are challenged.

Religion is pretty thin on the ground here, but there have been instances where my children have been made to feel uncomfortable for not beleiveing and attending church, etc.

At the end of the day, after i hear all the nonsense in this world, my heart is my refuge. I use my mind to meditate on things and find answers. I find that the bible is true. Its wisdom is true. Experience has shown me that Gods word makes much sense.

 

[Davian]

If you haven't found him then you are lost

Have you found Jesus?

• Davian
• Sep 29, 2015
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[The Cadet]

Science does this all the time. Show me the singularity which created the big bang. Can you? No.

The problem with this statement is that it misses the point entirely. The current evidence we have, from the cosmic microwave background radiation and the expansion of spacetime, implies very clearly that at some point, the universe was in an incredibly hot, dense state. I'm no astrophysicist, but the issue is, no matter what model we replace the big bang with, it will have to have much the same qualities, because that is what the evidence leads to.

 

[The Cadet]

Continue to get to know God through living experience.

How? And how do I determine my experience here from imagination?

you will just need to take my word for it, or not.

That's "not"; you're making a fairly extreme claim with no supporting evidence; I'm not just gonna take your word for it.

 

[Extraneous]

How? And how do I determine my experience here from imagination?



That's "not"; you're making a fairly extreme claim with no supporting evidence; I'm not just gonna take your word for it.

Ok.

 

[Extraneous]

I was not asking for opinion. If you have no means of discerning your 'god' from the imaginary, I see no reason to conclude otherwise.

As for your questions, while your 'god' has no measurable effect on the world, there are still those that believe in such things that have access to the government of my country, our school system, and my children, and I come here to learn about them, and how they react when their beliefs are challenged.

Religion is pretty thin on the ground here, but there have been instances where my children have been made to feel uncomfortable for not beleiveing and attending church, etc.

Have a nice day.

 

[SteveB28]

How? And how do I determine my experience here from imagination?



That's "not"; you're making a fairly extreme claim with no supporting evidence; I'm not just gonna take your word for it.

You make a significant point in there Cadet. Concerning the extent to which we can determine the difference between the real and the imaginary or illusory.

One is prompted to remember the case of the esteemed mathematician John Nash. For a large part of his life Nash suffered from a form of paranoid schizophrenia, in which he was absolutely convinced of the 'reality' of his own illusions.

Ultimately, he was able to cope with, if not conquer, his affliction. He achieved this by applying his considerable ability to reason and think logically and was eventually able to recognise his delusions for what they were.

So your question to our 'spiritual' friend is extremely relevant: how can he be sure that his 'spirit world' is not a delusion, in the vein of Dr Nash's?

 

[Let's go]

How? And how do I determine my experience here from imagination?



That's "not"; you're making a fairly extreme claim with no supporting evidence; I'm not just gonna take your word for it.

Ha ha I was the same until God said do you really want to know. Until then I was 100% sure that he didn't exist and it was all in there dream land. Then he came like the waves of the sea crashing down upon me. He entered me and then I knew

 

[The Cadet]

Ha ha I was the same until God said do you really want to know.

Great, same question to you - how do you know it was really god speaking, and not just your own subconscious?

He entered me and then I knew

 

[Let's go]

I post from here where I am with him and not where I was before , so please forgive me.

 

[Colter]

How? And how do I determine my experience here from imagination?



That's "not"; you're making a fairly extreme claim with no supporting evidence; I'm not just gonna take your word for it.

You keep recycling the same argument. You have to experience it instead of coming up with a thousand and one excuses to stay in the nest. The search for God is personal for each one if us.

 

[Colter]

Oh, I like that! Your own religion speaks of a trinity. Your own religion encompasses the gods El and Yahweh, but you aren't polytheistic are you!?

And can I remind you that the religion of Hinduism, which you describe as 'in transition', has existed in its present form for thousands of years before your own 'fully evolved' belief system.

But the Hindus had always chosen the wrong fantasy, hadn't they?

All cultures and there religions are in various stages of evolution as man is an evolutionary being. Primitive, evolved religions provide the scaffolding for the reception of revealed religion. The facts of Gods supreme oneness eventually comes through in the quest for God by humanity.

We don't really know what Gods name is, but we do know the heavenly name for some of his subordinates such as Michael.