Why is God so hidden? Why must we seek Him to Find Him?

[SteveB28]

To say spirit doesn't exist is a baseless claim. Consciousness trancends the material it rests on.

Then all you need do is to provide the evidence for this 'ethereal matter'.

Off you go.

I am as justified in stating that "spirit" doesn't exist as I am that goblins, fairies, leprechauns and unicorns don't exist.

 

[SteveB28]

Just because science can't measure something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Science can't weigh love in a balance.

And science can't "measure" the Tooth Fairy either. Do you really intend to claim that it exists on that basis?

 

[SteveB28]

With respect sir, there is no evidence to suggest that spiritual forces do not exist. None whatsoever. We cannot declare that spiritual thought processes do not exist because we cannot prove it. Think about it, outside forces can interfere with our thinking process, the only question is whether they are spiritual forces or natural forces.

The onus is upon he who makes the claim to provide the requisite evidence to bolster that claim.

Like so many of the religious and 'spiritual', you make your ridiculous claims and then have the temerity to charge that it is everyone else's responsibility to disprove you!

What rot!

 

[Colter]

No, but it does mean we have no empirical method of detecting it. It means we have nothing to offer in terms of "reasons we should believe in X". This is the key problem.

It's not a problem once you discover God in spirit. It then dawns on one that there is a whole realm beyond the material. Btw, the millions of people who have found God throughout the ages didn't do so through an empirical method. That's the error of the scientific approach, never will science ever have such a method.

 

[Colter]

And science can't "measure" the Tooth Fairy either. Do you really intend to claim that it exists on that basis?

That's the error of using science to prove spiritual realities.

 

[Extraneous]

The onus is upon he who makes the claim to provide the requisite evidence to bolster that claim.

Like so many of the religious and 'spiritual', you make your ridiculous claims and then have the temerity to charge that it is everyone else's responsibility to disprove you!

What rot!

No, im simply saying that you cannot prove your assertions. Im not concerned with what you personally believe however. Believe what you want, i dont care.

 

[Extraneous]

That's the error of using science to prove spiritual realities.

No one has tried to prove spiritual realities by science. To the contrary is has been asserted that science disproves it, and so the the error is with those who try to disprove it.

 

[Colter]

Then all you need do is to provide the evidence for this 'ethereal matter'.

Off you go.

I am as justified in stating that "spirit" doesn't exist as I am that goblins, fairies, leprechauns and unicorns don't exist.

Atheist know that spiritual realities can't he proven, so they consider this to be proof. All arguments lead back to the same stance.

 

[SteveB28]

It's not a problem once you discover God in spirit. It then dawns on one that there is a whole realm beyond the material. Btw, the millions of people who have found God throughout the ages didn't do so through an empirical method. That's the error of the scientific approach, never will science ever have such a method.

And the millions who "discovered" Zeus and Vishnu and Ra instead? Were they just using the wrong "method"?

 

[SteveB28]

That's the error of using science to prove spiritual realities.

The existence of the Tooth Fairy is an error of science!?

Oh my word!

 

[Extraneous]

Did they have Zeus in their heart? I doubt it.

 

[SteveB28]

No, im simply saying that you cannot prove your assertions. Im not concerned with what you personally believe however. Believe what you want, i dont care.

What assertions??

I'm not the one making the ridiculous claim - YOU ARE!!

 

[Extraneous]

The existence of the Tooth Fairy is an error of science!?

Oh my word!

Just because you are too blind to see God doesn't mean you need to mock those who do. Can you disprove GOd? No. Why then do you think you are so smart?

 

[SteveB28]

Did they have Zeus in their heart? I doubt it.

How would you know? Simply because you disagree with them?

"Everyone else's fantasy is rubbish - only mine is real!"

 

[Extraneous]

What assertions??

I'm not the one making the ridiculous claim - YOU ARE!!

Ok! lol. Calm down.

 

[Extraneous]

"Everyone else's fantasy is rubbish - only mine is real!"

Thats basically what you are saying, yes.

 

[The Cadet]

It's not a problem once you discover God in spirit. It then dawns on one that there is a whole realm beyond the material.

So how does one reproducibly and reliably do this?

 

[SteveB28]

Atheist know that spiritual realities can't he proven, so they consider this to be proof. All arguments lead back to the same stance.

How can something be described as a "reality" if it is impossible to demonstrate that it exists!?

Do you know what the word means?

 

[Extraneous]

How can something be described as a "reality" if it is impossible to demonstrate that it exists!?

Do you know what the word means?

Science does this all the time. Show me the singularity which created the big bang. Can you? No.

I can theorize that this singularity is in fact God. YOu cannot say that im wrong however because you dont know what it is, or where it is.

 

[SteveB28]

Thats basically what you are saying, yes.

Oh, I see. My grounding in reality is a fantasy? Whereas yours, which involves beliefs for which you can provide no evidence, represents the 'real' state of affairs, correct?

Not only that, but the millions of people who, LIKE YOU, have claimed a belief in the 'spirit world', but happen to coalesce that belief around the 'wrong' gods, are also living in fantasy, right?