Why is your window a globe?

[Queller]

I think the verse says the sky is draped, not light.

It says the sky is draped in darkness. The converse, for this discussion, is the sky being draped in light.

But just to play along, I can "drape" a globe in light with two flashlights. If I only have one flashlight, then half of the globe is in "night".

Exactly the point being made.

Do you think the ancient Hebrews had no experience of night?

Of course not. The point s that some verses in the Bible to refer to a flat earth, and to a Biblical literalist, this must mean that the earth is flat. Many creationists readily dismiss the references to a flat earth as metaphors/poetic language/what-have-you but then turn around and insist that the six days of Genesis must mean that they were literal 24 hour days.

 

[Chesterton]

It says the sky is draped in darkness. The converse, for this discussion, is the sky being draped in light.
Exactly the point being made.

If you disagree with that, I guess the burden is on you to show that it's not "draped".

Of course not. The point s that some verses in the Bible to refer to a flat earth, and to a Biblical literalist, this must mean that the earth is flat. Many creationists readily dismiss the references to a flat earth as metaphors/poetic language/what-have-you but then turn around and insist that the six days of Genesis must mean that they were literal 24 hour days.

Well then literalists are wrong. But I don't think anyone using human language can actually be an absolute literalist in regard to anything. Science itself uses metaphor and poetical language. You know, we call what we're doing right now "posting", these are "posts", as if we were nailing a piece of writing on paper to a wooden pole.

 

[Queller]

If you disagree with that, I guess the burden is on you to show that it's not "draped".

I don't have to. Your example of a globe and one flashlight proves it for me.

Well then literalists are wrong. But I don't think anyone using human language can actually be an absolute literalist in regard to anything. Science itself uses metaphor and poetical language. You know, we call what we're doing right now "posting", these are "posts", as if we were nailing a piece of writing on paper to a wooden pole.

I completely agree. The problem is that YECs (Young Earth Creationists) ignore as metaphor anything that suggests a flat earth but accept a literal 6 24-hour day as given in Genesis despite the fact that both ideas run counter to the fingerprints God left in the world.

 

[Chesterton]

I completely agree. The problem is that YECs (Young Earth Creationists) ignore as metaphor anything that suggests a flat earth but accept a literal 6 24-hour day as given in Genesis despite the fact that both ideas run counter to the fingerprints God left in the world.

Yeah, that's true.

 

[SkyWriting]

Pathetic childish insults? And here I thought you had such advanced scientific education that you could refute any argument.

More visionary thoughts. Please use the Quote function if you want
two people in the debate and not you criticizing that other voice
in your head.

 

[SkyWriting]

I mean really, I wouldn't come in here and criticize the theory of general relativity unless I'd at least learned the basics of it first.

Science allows for all voices and opinions to be considered.
Challenge is welcomed and part of the scientific method.

 

[SkyWriting]

Then you (unsurprisingly) get it wrong. I'm saying light and darkness don't drape well over an oblate spheroid. They drape just fine over a flat table.

Thats the point of draping.

 

[Queller]

Science allows for all voices and opinions to be considered.

Where did you get that incorrect idea?

Do you think that science considered the opinion of the layman apple picker when formulating the Papaloizou-Pringle Instability or the molecular orbital theory?

Challenge is welcomed and part of the scientific method.

Absolutely. Challenge is welcomed and part of the scientific method when the challenge is supported by evidence.

 

[SkyWriting]

I´m not a person who needs to be convinced that the bible isn´t (meant to be) the source of literal truths. It´s a discussion you would have to have with the OP.

Scripture covers Spiritual Truth though historical references do provide a foundation of support.

 

[Queller]

More visionary thoughts. Please use the Quote function if you want
two people in the debate and not you criticizing that other voice
in your head.

Hey genius, the post you replied to utilized the quote function.

Are you claiming you do not have any advanced education?

 

[Queller]

Thats the point of draping.

You do realize we are talking about light and darkness, right? Please address the examples that have been provided not the ones you wish we were talking about.

I notice that the second picture supports my point quite nicely. The whole globe is not lit, is it?

 

[SkyWriting]

You do realize we are talking about light and darkness, right? Please address the examples that have been provided not the ones you wish we were talking about.

I notice that the second picture supports my point quite nicely. The whole globe is not lit, is it?

Somebody is lit.

 

[Queller]

Somebody is lit.

I know you have difficulty responding to what people actually say, but you can do it if you try really hard.

I'll ask again, the whole globe is not lit, is it?

 

[SkyWriting]

I know you have difficulty responding to what people actually say, but you can do it if you try really hard. I'll ask again, the whole globe is not lit, is it?

Lets just refer direct to what we are talking about in context:

1 Chronicles 9:24
Ezekiel 42:20
Job 1:19
Ezekiel 7:2
Isaiah 11:12
Revelation 7:1
Revelation 20:8
Ezekiel 1:17
Ezekiel 10:11
Ezekiel 45:19
Deuteronomy 22:12
Ezekiel 46:22
Acts 10:11
Acts 11:5
Verse Concepts
"I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, an object coming down like a great sheet lowered by four corners from the sky; and it came right down to me,

None of these verses, in context, tell me it is a geography lesson.

 

[Queller]

Lets just refer direct to what we are talking about in context:

1 Chronicles 9:24

Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.

Ezekiel 42:20

Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.

Job 1:19

Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.

Ezekiel 7:2

Finally. It only took you four verses to get to one that is relevant. Of course it implies a flat earth which you claim it doesn't but hey, if you want to shoot your argument in the foot...

Isaiah 11:12

Implies a flat earth. Thanks again.

Revelation 7:1

Implies a flat earth.

Revelation 20:8

Implies a flat earth.

Ezekiel 1:17

Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.

Ezekiel 10:11

Irrelevant. Possible on both a flat earth and a spherical one.

Ezekiel 45:19

Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.

Deuteronomy 22:12

Irrelevant. Talking about a physical object not about the whole world.

Ezekiel 46:22

Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.

Acts 10:11

Irrelevant. Talking about an physical object not about the whole world. Not to mention the person admits he was in a trance and having a vision.

Acts 11:5

Irrelevant. Talking about an physical object not about the whole world. Not to mention the person admits he was in a trance and having a vision.

Verse Concepts
"I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, an object coming down like a great sheet lowered by four corners from the sky; and it came right down to me,

None of these verses, in context, tell me it is a geography lesson.

And Genesis, in context, is not a biology lesson. What's your point?

You continue to demonstrate that you have difficulty responding to the actual words someone says. You can do it if you try really hard though.

I'll ask again, the whole globe is not lit, is it?

 

[SkyWriting]

Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.
Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.
Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.
Finally. It only took you four verses to get to one that is relevant. Of course it implies a flat earth which you claim it doesn't but hey, if you want to shoot your argument in the foot...
Implies a flat earth. Thanks again.
Implies a flat earth.
Implies a flat earth.
Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.
Irrelevant. Possible on both a flat earth and a spherical one.
Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.
Irrelevant. Talking about a physical object not about the whole world.
Irrelevant. Talking about an physical location not about the whole world.
Irrelevant. Talking about an physical object not about the whole world. Not to mention the person admits he was in a trance and having a vision.
Irrelevant. Talking about an physical object not about the whole world. Not to mention the person admits he was in a trance and having a vision.
And Genesis, in context, is not a biology lesson. What's your point?

You continue to demonstrate that you have difficulty responding to the actual words someone says. You can do it if you try really hard though.

I'll ask again, the whole globe is not lit, is it?

I'm not going to respond to the pictures I posted on draping.

As you noted, the scriptures imply a flat earth using phrases like "four corners"
because man can see or walk in 4 directions. Not because God is giving geography lessons.
The "4 corners" phrase is used in visions and Revelations.....the whole book of Revelations being a vision.

 

[timewerx]

Since flat window glass is formed on a molten pool up to 1/2 a kilometer long
why would the Bible be wrong in suggesting the earth is flat?

Would the Scriptures be correct in saying your bedroom window is globe shaped?

I guess it depends on how you look at it.

There also exists a possibility that the Earth is another term for Galaxy -- in biblical terms, "host of heaven" or "Starry Host".


Remember the Bible has often condemned the worship of the "starry hosts" or at least suggested the cult was endemic in ancient times.

Back in ancient times, pagan worship revolved around the "Mother Earth Goddess" and depictions of this goddess has indeed many similarities to the form of our own Galaxy.

A Galaxy is obviously flat... It exists in a form of a relatively flat disc especially in the case of our own galaxy. Modern astronomers have also deduce the existence of four major arms in our galaxy "....the elect will be gathered from the four corners of the Earth..."

What else? "Stars falling down on Earth" Of course such thing couldn't happen on a planet, literally... But it could happen in a galaxy and it already happened in the past and may happen again in the distant future.

 

[Queller]

I'm not going to respond to the pictures I posted on draping.

I'm not surprised. I would find it difficult to respond as well when someone points out that a picture I posted proves my point wrong.

As you noted, the scriptures imply a flat earth using phrases like "four corners"
because man can see or walk in 4 directions. Not because God is giving geography lessons.
The "4 corners" phrase is used in visions and Revelations.....the whole book of Revelations being a vision.

Your point?

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm not surprised. I would find it difficult to respond as well when someone points out that a picture I posted proves my point wrong.

Examples don't prove points. The issue was draping.
Draping over a globe is as easy as a flat table.

 

[morse86]

Imagine a rocket going straight up. If the rocket, before going up, is "traveling" equal with the earth's rotation...how come when it goes straight up, it doesn't move diagonally?

This proves the earth is not spinning.

Next, if the earth was a globe.....why is the horizon always at eye level? Forget the fact that the curve is 8 inches per mile squared so that 10 miles...the curvature should be thousands of feet. Yet that is not what we observe, this proves the earth is flat.