Evolution Promotes Brutality

[JonFromMinnesota]

The evidence is in the Bible. You should read the Bible sometime so you can make your own conclusions.

The bible is the claim, not your evidence. What is your verifiable and testable evidence?
I have read the bible. I found it to be full of contradictions, historical and scientific inaccuracies, among other things.
I even read my fair share of apologetics and those were just full of special pleading among other logically fallacious arguments.

It is the lone wolf that gets picked off. When your a part of the community they people are able to work together to help each other out.

And this community has to be religion because why?

 

[joshua 1 9]

The bible is the claim, not your evidence. What is your verifiable and testable evidence?

The Bible is very verifiable and testable. Ask any Christian. You can not expect God to do things your way. You are not God, He is. You have to humble yourself and submit yourself to God to follow Him. You can not expect Him to follow you and to worship you.

have read the bible. I found it to be full of contradictions, historical and scientific inaccuracies, among other things.
I even read my fair share of apologetics and those were just full of special pleading among other logically fallacious arguments.

I came to just the opposite conclusion that you have. I find your argument to be full of logically fallacious. I think you have examined your own heart and judged yourself. God does not give us the ability to judge others. He only gives us the ability to pass judgement on our own heart.

"Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand." Rom 14

 

[Extraneous]

Science is so wonderful. It shows us how the earth is millions of years old, and how man was once less evolved than a chimpanzee, but has managed to beautifully evolve into the brilliant scientific intellectual that he is today. This took millions, and millions of years to unfold.

Too bad man has such a short time on earth. After all he has accomplished, he is still nothing but dirt, he will die and the earth will reclaim him. His life is so very sad and unfulfilled.

Is there not something more to man than this?

 

[joshua 1 9]

And this community has to be religion because why?

I already answered this. I joined the christian community when I quit drinking. I wanted people to socialize with that did not drink. I needed to keep my head clear because I was a single parent and I needed to be able to raise my son properly. This may work for you but I have found when people drink their life is a disaster. They are usually drinking to help them with their pain, misery and suffering. WE have God for all of that. He is the one that comforts us so we do not have to depend on a bottle of beer to be our comforter.

 

[Extraneous]

Isaiah 40

6 A voice says, “Cry!”
And I said,[c] “What shall I cry?”
All flesh is grass,
and all its beauty[d] is like the flower of the field.
7 The grass withers, the flower fades
when the breath of the Lord blows on it;
surely the people are grass.
8 The grass withers, the flower fades,
but the word of our God will stand forever.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Science is so wonderful. It shows us how the earth is millions of years old, and how man was once less evolved than a chimpanzee, but has managed to beautifully evolve into the brilliant scientific intellectual that he is today. This took millions, and millions of years to unfold.

To bad man has such a short time on earth. After all he has accomplished, he is still nothing but dirt, he will die and the earth will reclaim him. His life is so very sad and unfulfilled.

Is there not something more to man than this?

Solomon said vanity of vanities all is vanity. We live our life and we have nothing to show for it. There is a list of the most forgotten presidents. Men who were president of their country and are forgotten today. Do we even know our great grandfather? Or are they forgotten. What is left of the life they lived?

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1879648_1879646,00.html

I was working on remodeling a restaurant once. Lots of people were in and out of there as we were working on the building. They would watch us work. Sometimes they would talk to us. Then one man made a comment about how they would be doing it all over again in 12 years. That really got me off guard so I asked him what he was talking about. Most commercial establishments have to be remodeled every 12 years. My work was going to ONLY last for 12 years and then someone was going to have to go in there and do it all over again. That really had a impact on my life. I began to wonder about things that would last for all eternity. I began to seek after what is eternal rather then the temporal things that are perishing.

People here do not realize they are temperal and they are going to perish. They repeatedly insult us when we are reaching out to them to try to save them from destruction and the fire. We do not ask anyone for any help. We have God to help us. We are offering to try to help them. But so often they seem to be happy and content to perish and they have no desire for what is eternal.

 

[Hoghead1]

Way back whyen, the term "atheist" was sometimes used for someone who believed in different gods. However, that usage fell out way back when. According to the standard dictionary definition, an atheist is one who denies god or the gods, period. Believing in multiple gods is not atheism.

 

[Hoghead1]

How exactly is the Bible testable, Joshua19? How would you prove to a skeptic that the Resurrection happened? What hard evidence can you give for the Exodus?

 

[Extraneous]

Solomon said vanity of vanities all is vanity. We live our life and we have nothing to show for it. There is a list of the most forgotten presidents. Men who were president of their country and are forgotten today. Do we even know our great grandfather? Or are they forgotten. What is left of the life they lived?

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1879648_1879646,00.html

I was working on remodeling a restaurant once. Lots of people were in and out of there as we were working on the building. They would watch us work. Sometimes they would talk to us. Then one man made a comment about how they would be doing it all over again in 12 years. That really got me off guard so I asked him what he was talking about. Most commercial establishments have to be remodeled every 12 years. My work was going to ONLY last for 12 years and then someone was going to have to go in there and do it all over again. That really had a impact on my life. I began to wonder about things that would last for all eternity. I began to seek after what is eternal rather then the temporal things that are perishing.

People here do not realize they are temperal and they are going to perish. They repeatedly insult us when we are reaching out to them to try to save them from destruction and the fire. We do not ask anyone for any help. We have God to help us. We are offering to try to help them. But so often they seem to be happy and content to perish and they have no desire for what is eternal.

Something compels us to seek something more than this short life.. Why do people investigate mans origin but not his end? To me life is more precious than this world can give us. I want to live, not just struggle through this world and quickly fade away. That is not living, but its dying instead.

We are not living, we are dying. Surely there is more than this world.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

The Bible is very verifiable and testable. Ask any Christian.

I'm asking you. Lay out the evidence. The burden of proof belongs to you.

I came to just the opposite conclusion that you have. I find your argument to be full of logically fallacious.

What logical fallacies have I committed?

God does not give us the ability to judge others.

Except we do this all the time. You should go to your local court house one morning. Lots of judging going on down there.

I already answered this. I joined the christian community when I quit drinking. I wanted people to socialize with that did not drink. I needed to keep my head clear because I was a single parent and I needed to be able to raise my son properly.

That's good for you. You're missing the point. You don't need religion for this. If you need it to feel happiness and comfort, that's fine. It doesn't make your religion true though.

WE have God for all of that. He is the one that comforts us so we do not have to depend on a bottle of beer to be our comforter.

Actually that would be the people around you. Burden of proof for the existence of God belongs to you.

On a side note, I find it interesting that you've diverted the topic away from the discussion of evolution to apologetics. Perhaps you should open a new thread if you'd like to continue discussing this.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I'm asking you. Lay out the evidence. The burden of proof belongs to you.

I really am just do lazy to do that for you. What is in it for me? What do I get out of teaching that to you? My point is that you have to do things God's way. You can not get Him to jump through your hoops. You have to jump through His hoops. That may require a paradigm-shift for you to see that. If you want to test for God then you have to do that on His terms. You can not expect Him to abide by your terms to do things man's way. We do not create God, God created us.

 

[Hoghead1]

You should at least make some effort to defend your position, Joshua 19. You talk of doing it God's way. Well, are you sure you are? Maybe God's way is to work through evolution. Maybe God is content with an errant, unscientific Bible. If so, we should accept that and also be content.

 

[Extraneous]

I am just now realizing that i am in love with God. The whole world seems to be arguing and fighting over just about everything. I have been there. I know i cannot prove God exists no more than i can disprove he exists, but in my heart i am loving God deeply never the less because he makes me so happy. I have been through self condemnation and hatred, deep and difficult struggles in faith, struggles in politics and religion, hardships of life and spirit. I have seen life at its best and worse ... and in the end i am loving God so much because he puts love and hope in my heart through faith in Jesus Christ. In the end, this is all that i want anymore. Praise the Lord, my God.

 

[Extraneous]

 

[46AND2]

I really am just do lazy to do that for you. What is in it for me? What do I get out of teaching that to you? My point is that you have to do things God's way. You can not get Him to jump through your hoops. You have to jump through His hoops. That may require a paradigm-shift for you to see that. If you want to test for God then you have to do that on His terms. You can not expect Him to abide by your terms to do things man's way. We do not create God, God created us.

That's great that church fellowship makes you happier. People who have friends with things in common generally are. So, what does it have to do with the truth about whether god exists or not?

Moreover, since one cannot CHOOSE to believe, what good does church do for those who cannot believe?

Is Mormonism true because it's constituents are happy? Islam? Buddhists? What about those who find that companionship at atheistic "church" functions?

 

[Hoghead1]

I believe, 46and2, that if the religion is promoting joy and love, then it is true. One God, many paths.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

I really am just do lazy to do that for you.

I and plenty of other posters have taken the time to lay out the evidence for evolution for you knowing full well you would hand wave it away. You can't extend the same courtesy?

What is in it for me?

Oh, so you only want to do this exercise if there is a reward for you? Some might call this selfish.

You can not get Him to jump through your hoops.

How can I ask something from someone I do not believe exists? That's why I am asking you. Asking for evidence isn't asking you to jump through hoops. It's a simple request. Do you have evidence or not?

You can not expect Him to abide by your terms to do things man's way. We do not create God, God created us.

Again, I cannot ask something from someone I do not believe exists. You are not very good at defending your position.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

I believe, 46and2, that if the religion is promoting joy and love, then it is true. One God, many paths.

So if a Hindu experiences joy and love from the many Gods they worship, then those God's exist?
How does that make any logical sense?

 

[Hoghead1]

No religion. JonfromMinnesota, is going to come up with a totally accurate picture of God as he or she is in his or her own nature. However, each religion grasps something of the truth here. Seeing multiple gods comes from a deep appreciation of the rich complexity of God. Incidentally, many religions swing between polytheism and monotheism. The latter is true also of Christianity. Many Christians follow a social model of teh Trinity, the notion that there are three separate, unique personalities, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The oneness is due tot he fact they act in perfect harmony. However, to many, including myself, that is largely tritheism, not monotheism.

 

[Extraneous]

Your life is meaningless and without hope. All you have to look forward to is death. Wake up.