Negative Scientists Fear Aliens and Want us to evacuate Earth

[Riberra]

Can you show a verse saying that Jesus will take His believers out of the Earth to Heaven before the Tribulation ?...

No.

If you cannot find it mentionned in the Bible can you tell us from where came your belief that you will be taken to Heaven BEFORE the Tribulation ?

But the start of the tribulation is when Satan is cast to earth and that also is the sign for the wrath..no?

Satan is cast to Earth in Revelation 12 ,Revelation 13.That will be when Satan begin to rule on Earth during a thousand two hundred and threescore days (3 1/2 years).Can you show us a verse saying that we are not appointed to Satan's wrath ?
Revelation 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

The wrath is finalized in the latter part of the tribulation. Only after that tribulation does Jesus return, so any way you shake it, you are claiming we have to go through the wrath of God. Gong.

The wrath of God will start with the vials mentioned in Revelation 16.

 

[The Cadet]

Not into strange what if games.

It's just kind of bizarre. Pharaoh is ready to let them go, and God decides, "The best way to completely destroy this guy is to ensure he can't let my people go like I asked him to." That's bizarre behavior. It also ignores that Pharaoh is a human, and also deserving of mercy.

 

[Wgw]

The logical conclusion of godless philosophy and 'science' is to look to man to save man, and think of man as insignificant beasts.

One example is the prominent physicist Steven Hawkings.

In the past he has talked of aliens and leaving earth.

"
Stephen Hawking posited that an alien visitation would put Earthlings in the same position as Native Americans when Columbus landed on their shores.

“Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach,” Hawking speculated."

http://news.discovery.com/space/ali...hawking-right-about-hostile-aliens-151012.htm

"If humanity is to survive long-term, it must find a way to get off planet Earth -- and fast, according to famed astrophysicist Stephen Hawking."

http://www.space.com/8924-stephen-h...arth.html?li_source=LI&li_medium=most-popular

Tis sort of insane fearmongering is expected when men leave God out of their knowledge.


The reality of the situation is that we can safely trust in Jesus to bring peace on a beautiful restored new earth.

What humans need to do, obviously, is to begin building an interstellar empire. We need to exterminate the aliens and colonize their homeworlds, before they do the same to us!

 

[Extraneous]

It's just kind of bizarre. Pharaoh is ready to let them go, and God decides, "The best way to completely destroy this guy is to ensure he can't let my people go like I asked him to." That's bizarre behavior. It also ignores that Pharaoh is a human, and also deserving of mercy.

Romans 9:16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:

“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”
26 and,

“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’”[j]
27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea,
only the remnant will be saved.
28 For the Lord will carry out
his sentence on earth with speed and finality.”[k]
29 It is just as Isaiah said previously:

“Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us descendants,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah.”[l]

 

[The Cadet]

Romans 9:16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g]

...This does not make it better. This makes it way, way worse.

 

[Extraneous]

...This does not make it better. This makes it way, way worse.

It promises eternal life. Pharaoh died, just as we all will die. For all we know pharaoh would have destroyed himself anyway. God used him as example but that doesn't mean Gods the one who chose to destroy him. God only used him to demonstrate an event. We also don't know pharaoh's eternal fate, and so basically hes just a guy who died, just as we all will die. The message is about mercy however.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If you cannot find it mentionned in the Bible can you tell us from where came your belief that you will be taken to Heaven BEFORE the Tribulation ?

The Bible says we will be delivered from the wrath of God. There could not be a tribulation period if the church were here because the church is a restraining force in the world. This is what it means to be salt. Salt can be used as a preservative to prevent corruption and decay. Without the church then the world will fall into corruption and decay. Even Moses talks about the third day. Just as Jesus was resurrected on the third day so the church (Bride) will rise up to be with Him on the third day.

"On the third day Abraham raised his eyes and saw the place from a distance." Gen22:4

Hos6:2 "After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."

 

[joshua 1 9]

Pharaoh got his heart hardened by God -- he never stood a chance.

You are in or out with God, no fence sitting allowed. If you are not for God then that is counted against you. Just like the Luke warm church: Rev3:16 "So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth." This does not mean they will lose their salvation, it means that they will no longer represent God. They will lose their priesthood for many are called but few are chosen.

Moses was adopted by the Pharaoh's daughter. So this Pharaoh was in effect the brother of Moses. They would have received the same education and have access to all the same books in the same library.

 

[Riberra]

The Bible says we will be delivered from the wrath of God. There could not be a tribulation period if the church were here because the church is a restraining force in the world. This is what it means to be salt. Salt can be used as a preservative to prevent corruption and decay. Without the church then the world will fall into corruption and decay. Even Moses talks about the third day. Just as Jesus was resurrected on the third day so the church (Bride) will rise up to be with Him on the third day.

"On the third day Abraham raised his eyes and saw the place from a distance." Gen22:4

If you read Genesis 22:1-4 you will know what is the place that Abraham saw.
So, Gen22:4 have nothing to do about being removed to Heaven before the Tribulation.

Hos6:2 "After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."

This is about the RESURRECTION of the believers and our caught up to meet Jesus in the AIR when Jesus will come down from Heaven to establish His Kingdom on the Earth After the Tribulation .No trip to Heaven before the Tribulation mentionned there .

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[dad]

The Hebrews were a lot better at whitewashing their history than they were at their current events... memories are short.



You asked for their rivals. I supplied them. Now you're backpedaling.

I asked for rival or any record from the time of Moses that you have. Otherwise stop wasting our time.

As for your hatred of Hebrews and God for having chosen them for His nation to start to bring salvation to the world, try and get this...no one cares about your opinion whether He was right.

Rememer also that if you claim to have some or one record from the time of Moses from these other nations who had folks in Egypt, show us...don't rattle off names of ancient countries or peoples as if you have something!

 

[dad]

If you cannot find it mentionned in the Bible can you tell us from where came your belief that you will be taken to Heaven BEFORE the Tribulation ?

We are all taken to heaven when we die. Now there is the gathering together unto Him in the air of the living and raising of dead bodies of believers that is mentioned in the bible. That many call the Rapture. That cannot be the same event as when He comes with His saints!

WE are not appointed to wrath, so whether you admit that the earlier part of the Great Tribulation is the judment and wrath of God or not...you must admit that the latter part of it is. There is NO way anyone can claim that Jesus comes before the last angels pour out their final vials now is there? If so, explain. If not, you lose. We also know that the marriage feast of Jesus is in heaven and before that final phase of the tribulation! Now do you expect to be at the marriage supper in heaven? Or are you so hung up on preaching we must go through the wrath of God, that you plan to miss that also?

Satan is cast to Earth in Revelation 12 ,Revelation 13.That will be when Satan begin to rule on Earth during a thousand two hundred and threescore days (3 1/2 years).Can you show us a verse saying that we are not appointed to Satan's wrath ?
Revelation 13

That depends who the 'we' refers to. Since that happens during the judgment time from God and is part of it, you have no case. Not sure why you pick a science area of the forum to try and parrot your pet misconceptions on prophesy either? Maybe cluck over in a Christian only area.

 

[dad]

It's just kind of bizarre. Pharaoh is ready to let them go, and God decides, "The best way to completely destroy this guy is to ensure he can't let my people go like I asked him to." That's bizarre behavior. It also ignores that Pharaoh is a human, and also deserving of mercy.

Nonsense. Mercy is for folks who ask for it, and repent. Not for the long term repeat offenders who mock and hate and reject Jesus. For those there is judgment. God is not a pansy that is not righteous and true and just. He came down here and proved He loved us and offered mercy and salvation to those that accept Him. Right now and for a long time we have the harvest of the earth ripening. That means that we can see what is the wheat and what is the weeds. The purpose of this was not to have mercy on weeds but to separate them and burn them and get rid of them forever. You seem to have thought the plan was to have mercy on evil and weeds and unregenerate unsaved Christ rejecting men. No. Now you know.

His salvation is for those that come to Him. Those that ask. Those that seek. Those that love light rather than darkness.

 

[dad]

What humans need to do, obviously, is to begin building an interstellar empire. We need to exterminate the aliens and colonize their homeworlds, before they do the same to us!

Pollute the universe with sin? Good luck with that.

 

[Wgw]

Pollute the universe with sin? Good luck with that.

For all we know. the rest of the universe is more sinful. I find the CS Lewis idea that aliens might not be depraved to be wishful thinking. We must subjugate their species, and colonize their homeworlds: human needs take priority.

If we don't make Palpatine look like a Red Cross volunteer, we're doing it wrong.

 

[Jimmy D]

...This does not make it better. This makes it way, way worse.

And afterwards the Egyptian belief system continues unchanged, seems the display was ineffective.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There could not be a tribulation period if the church were here because the church is a restraining force in the world. This is what it means to be salt. Salt can be used as a preservative to prevent corruption and decay.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You are in or out with God, no fence sitting allowed. If you are not for God then that is counted against you.

I guess I'm out, then. God will just keep hardening my heart so I never get in the tribe... just as He did to Pharaoh.

Remember, God said He would do it long before Moses confronted Pharaoh... the whole "let my people go" routine was a fool's errand, and God knew it from the beginning.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I asked for rival or any record from the time of Moses that you have. Otherwise stop wasting our time.

You asked for a rival. I gave you a rival. Now you're shifting the goalposts.

These rivals kept records. None of those records mention anything about the Exodus story. This is a fact; see for yourself.

 

[The Cadet]

Not for the long term repeat offenders who mock and hate and reject Jesus.

...Yes, he hated someone who wouldn't be born for thousands of years. That totally makes sense.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If you read Genesis 22:1-4 you will know what is the place that Abraham saw. So, Gen22:4 have nothing to do about being removed to Heaven before the Tribulation.

This is what we call shadows and types. Moses is not really the person to go to is you want to learn about the resurrection. But Moses does tell us the story About Abraham when Abraham was going to sacrifice his son on the alter. This is a story that points to Jesus and the sacrifice that the Heavenly Father made when He sacrificed His Son for us. Contained within this story are shadows and types that point to the resurrection. For example Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son because: Abraham believed that God could raise him from the dead. "Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead". Jesus also quoted Moses and He showed the truth of the resurrection from the books of Moses. As the Sadducees and the Pharisees did not agree on this so there was a lot of debate and discussion about the resurrection at the time.