I Obey, Therefore I Am Loved and Accepted.

[Bible Highlighter]

That's why it's called the gospel of Gods grace, and not the gospel of your works.

Please show me where the gospel says you can disobey God or be fruitless?
Also, please show me what verse you are referring to.

Furthermore, God does the work thru me. So it is not my works.

In addition, Titus 2:11-12 says that the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. This grace is a part of the gospel. Unless of course you want to assert that God's grace is not a part of the gospel.


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[Steeno7]

That's the point. The demons do not believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation. James likens this type of belief with that of a dead faith or to those who have a belief only.

James is making a comparison or an anology.
He is saying those who have a "Belief only in Jesus." are like those who simply believe in the existence of God like the demons.
In other words, the analogy does not need to be exactly precise or perfect in every way in order to make such an analogy.

No, that's what you are saying, not James. You cannot make Belief in the existence of God synonymous with Belief in Jesus Christ.....because it's not.

 

[Steeno7]

God does the work thru me. So it is not my works. Also, Titus 2:11-12 says that the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. This grace is a part of the gospel. Unless of course you want to assert that God's grace is not a part of the gospel.

Then preach Grace, and stop preaching man and what man must do.

 

[Thursday]

Please show me where the gospel says you can disobey God or be fruitless?

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John 15
1“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunesa so that it will be even more fruitful.....
5“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Who are you accusing of not obeying God?

Because Eternal Security Proponents believe they will always have sin in their life. To sin means one is not obeying God.


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[Bible Highlighter]

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[Steeno7]

Please show me where the gospel says you can disobey God or be fruitless?

Please show me who is advocating for disobedience or fruitlessness?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I don't separate them in Titus.

What you do not understand is that each of these principles have their own meaning and can stand on their own, so then when we combine them they have the meaning in context of each word on it's own to add to that truth.

What you would like to do is give meaning to each by using the context of them together to then define them individually. However, it does not work that way. Scripture interprets scripture.

A false gospel is presented as contingencies on something else. You cannot separate them into their own context because it does not suit your theology.

That is why you lump them all together. To suit your theology.

I see it clearly for what it is.

Lump them together? Are you saying that grace and the gospel are separate? But you said before they fit together and work in harmony with one another. Are they all of a sudden separate when it comes to reading Titus 2:11-12? If so, then how? What verse says they are separate at this point?


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[Thursday]

Please show me who is advocating for disobedience or fruitlessness?

You seem to claim that a person, once saved, can lead a life of sin and reject God's will but still go to heaven.

Are we mistaken in this assumption?

 

[Steeno7]

Because Eternal Security Proponents believe they will always have sin in their life. To sin means one is not obeying God.

Because we are not delusional, not because we are aproving of sin.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Please show me who is advocating for disobedience or fruitlessness?

The doctrine of Eternal Security itself advocates for such a thing because it is a sin and still be saved doctrine. When a person tells other people there are no consequences to sin on some level, then they are going to do that which is wrong.


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[ToBeLoved]

Because Eternal Security Proponents believe they will always have sin in their life. To sin means one is not obeying God.


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The fatal flaw in your argument is that Christ died to FORGIVE sin, so Christ saw that His Own would sin.

You are trying to whack a mole that Jesus already allocated for.

You cannot build faith on your own faults. It is ONLY CHRIST who can take away sin. So your talking about sin is meaningless as far as salvation because sin does not remove salvation. Jesus set it up this way, so I care little for your personal opinion on this matter because Jesus already paid that price.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Because we are not delusional, not because we are aproving of sin.

Any excuse that one uses that they will sin again at some point in the future is an approval upon sin.


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[Steeno7]

You seem to claim that a person, once saved, can lead a life of sin and reject God's will but still go to heaven.

Are we mistaken in this assumption?

What I claim is that my salvation is assured by my Savior, Jesus Christ. If your salvation is dependent upon you, you certainly shouldn't have assurance.

 

[ToBeLoved]

You seem to claim that a person, once saved, can lead a life of sin and reject God's will but still go to heaven.

Are we mistaken in this assumption?

How can one reject God because of sin, when Christ decided that He paid for sin?

You are then deciding for Christ and saying His Word is not true. That is a slippery slope my friend. You cannot decide for Christ, no matter what you think is just and unjust.

That is going beyond what we are able to do. That is surpassing faith, and moving into judgment and righteousness.

Are you going to go there as a sinful man?

 

[Steeno7]

Any excuse that one uses that they will sin again at some point in the future is an approval upon sin.

You're the one who makes excuses for your sins, not me.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The fatal flaw in your argument is that Christ died to FORGIVE sin, so Christ saw that His Own would sin.

No. Christ died so as to pay the price for sins so as to offer the free gift of salvation (the gospel) so that He could then forgive them when they repented of their sins and accepted Him as their Savior (Believing that He was died and was risen on their behalf).

You are trying to whack a mole that Jesus already allocated for.

You cannot build faith on your own faults. It is ONLY CHRIST who can take away sin. So your talking about sin is meaningless as far as salvation because sin does not remove salvation. Jesus set it up this way, so I care little for your personal opinion on this matter because Jesus already paid that price.

Yes, sin can remove salvation. We see this in the Garden; And it is still the same now. How on Earth you believe God would condone a person's sin is just silly to me.


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[Bible Highlighter]

You're the one who makes excuses for your sins, not me.

So you are a mind reader and you know my life like God?


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[ToBeLoved]

Any excuse that one uses that they will sin again at some point in the future is an approval upon sin.


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So says you. And your theology has been refuted as unBiblical time and time again. Christ died for sin Jason. And Christ forgives sin. Even you should not set your stature so high that you think that you are able to judge anything righteously.

 

[Thursday]

What I claim is that my salvation is assured by my Savior, Jesus Christ. If your salvation is dependent upon you, you shouldn't certainly shouldn't have assurance.

If you remain in his love.

10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

2 Tim 2:12
If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;

Romans 8:17
And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ--if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.

Phil 3
10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.