Why is your window a globe?

[Jimmy D]

They, plus a handful of others (which equally imply both flatness and immobility) are the only references of any kind to the shape or form of the earth in the bible. I think it's entirely fair to say that to the degree the bible describes the shape of the earth, it does not describe a sphere.

Fair enough, just seems fairly irrelevant in the scheme of things.

 

[The Cadet]

Fair enough, just seems fairly irrelevant in the scheme of things.

Oh, definitely. If you want an example of "here's something in the bible that cannot possibly be right", the flood story is so much more blatant and convenient. It's also a lot harder to pass off as mere allegory.

 

[Chesterton]

Oh, definitely. If you want an example of "here's something in the bible that cannot possibly be right", the flood story is so much more blatant and convenient. It's also a lot harder to pass off as mere allegory.

It's an allegory for baptism, for death/rebirth through later Christian baptism. I mean really, I wouldn't come in here and criticize the theory of general relativity unless I'd at least learned the basics of it first.

 

[The Cadet]

It's an allegory for baptism, for death/rebirth through later Christian baptism. I mean really, I wouldn't come in here and criticize the theory of general relativity unless I'd at least learned the basics of it first.

...Wat

 

[Chesterton]

...Wat

Exactly.

 

[Queller]

People can't see that far, nor behind any hill or dale.

We aren't talking about people, we are talking about Jesus and the Devil.

Or is Matthew 4:8 incorrect?

 

[Queller]

Anything that can drape, can drape over anything.

Except darkness over an oblate spheroid when there is a light source nearby and except light when the light source does not hit all points of an oblate spheroid at the same time.

 

[Queller]

In a supernatural vision.

Matthew 4 does not describe a vision but an actual event.

 

[Queller]

I didn't recognize anything that suggested any physical shape to the earth
though the idea that one could see all the kingdoms from one vantage
point suggests there is one mountain, with villages around it's base.

Riiiiight. All the "kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them" describes a bunch of villages around a mountain.

Pull the other one.

 

[Queller]

Are they the only references to a flat Earth in the Bible? Why on Earth is anyone getting bent out of shape about that? Just sounds like a figure of speech to me.

No they aren't the only references to a flat earth in the Bible, just the ones that The Cadet referenced. I believe they are figures of speech as well. However, for creationists, it presents a problem that if passages describing a flat earth in the Bible can be dismissed as figures of speech then that opens up passages in Genesis that describe a six, 24-hour day creation to be dismissed as figures of speech as well.

It is always fun to watch creationists try to twist and turn to avoid addressing the issue, witness SkyWriting in this thread.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Since flat window glass is formed on a molten pool up to 1/2 a kilometer long
why would the Bible be wrong in suggesting the earth is flat?

Would the Scriptures be correct in saying your bedroom window is globe shaped?

Where does the Bible suggest that the earth is flat? The "flat earth" is a myth propitiated by the Flat Earth Society.

"Despite the launch in October 1957 of Sputnik, the world's first artificial satellite, Shenton proved a popular speaker to small groups, enjoying particularly talking to children, never declining an invitation. He claimed that satellites simply circled over a flat disc-world: "Would sailing round the Isle of Wight prove that it were spherical?", he demanded. As manned space flight started in 1961, Shenton began to attract international media attention with his denials, telling the Coshocton Tribune on May 10 that the astronauts could never travel into orbit." Wiki

 

[SkyWriting]

No they aren't the only references to a flat earth in the Bible, just the ones that The Cadet referenced. I believe they are figures of speech as well. However, for creationists, it presents a problem that if passages describing a flat earth in the Bible can be dismissed as figures of speech then that opens up passages in Genesis that describe a six, 24-hour day creation to be dismissed as figures of speech as well. It is always fun to watch creationists try to twist and turn to avoid addressing the issue, witness SkyWriting in this thread.

I've maintained that creation days were not 24 hours.
You should address my posts for argument rather than
the imaginary voices you sometimes listen to.

 

[SkyWriting]

Where does the Bible suggest that the earth is flat? The "flat earth" is a myth propitiated by the Flat Earth Society. "Despite the launch in October 1957 of Sputnik, the world's first artificial satellite, Shenton proved a popular speaker to small groups, enjoying particularly talking to children, never declining an invitation. He claimed that satellites simply circled over a flat disc-world: "Would sailing round the Isle of Wight prove that it were spherical?", he demanded. As manned space flight started in 1961, Shenton began to attract international media attention with his denials, telling the Coshocton Tribune on May 10 that the astronauts could never travel into orbit." Wiki

It's true that parachutes have 4 corners and are not flat.
But that's a rare configuration for anything with 4 corners.

I don't know if doo-rags were common.

 

[The Cadet]

It's true that parachutes have 4 corners and are not flat.

Parachutes aren't spheroids either.

 

[SkyWriting]

Parachutes aren't spheroids either.

That's what I'm saying. Four corners in scripture was just describing "all there is"
and not any particular geography.

 

[SkyWriting]

Except darkness over an oblate spheroid when there is a light source nearby and except light when the light source does not hit all points of an oblate spheroid at the same time.

Light doesn't drape well is what you're saying. Got it.

 

[SkyWriting]

What does the Bible mean when it says the earth is flat?
Is it talking about the shape of the planet?

It only suggests flatness and no, it's referring to "the world" in general
with the four corners metaphor.

 

[Queller]

I've maintained that creation days were not 24 hours.

How old do you think the earth is?

Do you acknowledge that there are scenarios in the Bible that a literalist must interpret as meaning the earth is flat? Do you acknowledge that there are literalists that state that the days in Genesis must only be 24 hours long?

If you are an old earth creationist, then why do you care if some Bible believers believe the earth is only 6,000 years old?

You should address my posts for argument rather than
the imaginary voices you sometimes listen to.

Pathetic childish insults? And here I thought you had such advanced scientific education that you could refute any argument.

 

[Queller]

Light doesn't drape well is what you're saying. Got it.

Then you (unsurprisingly) get it wrong. I'm saying light and darkness don't drape well over an oblate spheroid. They drape just fine over a flat table.

 

[Chesterton]

Then you (unsurprisingly) get it wrong. I'm saying light and darkness don't drape well over an oblate spheroid. They drape just fine over a flat table.

I think the verse says the sky is draped, not light. But just to play along, I can "drape" a globe in light with two flashlights. If I only have one flashlight, then half of the globe is in "night". Do you think the ancient Hebrews had no experience of night?