LDS Mandatory 15% tithe or excommunication fr church

[ToBeLoved]

In the Bible, Jesus tells us that He wants all to come to Him, learn about Him and be in community with other believers.

Given that this is what God wants, how does Mormonism put a mandatory tithe on their church attendee's? If they will ex-communicate a Mormon for not doing this, then they are not doing God's will because God doesn't ex-communicate His Children, but the Mormon church will for money, 15%.

Why is this? No Christian church under the Nicene Creed does this.

 

[Jane_Doe]

In the Bible, Jesus tells us that He wants all to come to Him, learn about Him and be in community with other believers.

Given that this is what God wants, how does Mormonism put a mandatory tithe on their church attendee's? If they will ex-communicate a Mormon for not doing this, then they are not doing God's will because God doesn't ex-communicate His Children, but the Mormon church will for money, 15%.

Why is this? No Christian church under the Nicene Creed does this.

False information all around.

1) Mormons tithe 10%, not 15%.
2) This is Biblical (Malachi 3:9-10).
3) A Mormon whom does not tithe is not excommunicated.

 

[ToBeLoved]

False information all around.

2) This is Biblical (Malachi 3:9-10).

It is Biblical under the Old Covenant, Jesus brought the New Covenant.

So as of Jesus death, no more tithes in Christianity

 

[mmksparbud]

We do the same--10%--no kicking out.

 

[ToBeLoved]

1) Mormons tithe 10%, not 15%.

My bad.

A 10% tithe.

 

[ToBeLoved]

False information all around.

3) A Mormon whom does not tithe is not excommunicated.

What is the specific word that Mormons use then?

 

[Jane_Doe]

What is the specific word that Mormons use then?

None. No one is kicked out of Mormon church because of tithing.

 

[mmksparbud]

Tithing is for the support of the pastors, money has to come from somewhere and we should be willing to support the pastors so they can devote their full time to the church. The tithe was for the priesthood, but no priesthood needed anymore, but a church that does not support it's pastors is putting their own livelihood above the work of God. Unfortunately, God does not provide a money tree in the back yard of each church---I got no problem with it. It is not a passport into heaven.

Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

 

[Ironhold]

What is the specific word that Mormons use then?

We don't kick people out who fail to tithe.

In fact, I've noted several times now that back when I was a financial clerk, there were individuals in my branch who were declared "exempt" from tithing due to severe financial difficulties.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Tithing is for the support of the pastors, money has to come from somewhere and we should be willing to support the pastors so they can devote their full time to the church. The tithe was for the priesthood, but no priesthood needed anymore, but a church that does not support it's pastors is putting their own livelihood above the work of God. Unfortunately, God does not provide a money tree in the back yard of each church---I got no problem with it. It is not a passport into heaven.

Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

I agree.

 

[ToBeLoved]

On March 19, 1970, the LDS First Presidency sent a letter to presidents of stakes and missions, bishops of wards, and presidents of branches in answer to the question, What is a proper tithe?

"For your guidance in this matter, please be advised that we have uniformly replied that the simplest statement we know of is that statement of the Lord himself that the members of the Church should pay one-tenth of all their interest annually, which is understood to mean income.


What is this statement about then?

 

[Ironhold]

"For your guidance in this matter, please be advised that we have uniformly replied that the simplest statement we know of is that statement of the Lord himself that the members of the Church should pay one-tenth of all their interest annually, which is understood to mean income.

You do realize that this post here clearly indicates that your OP is full of false information, correct?

In other words, you just exposed yourself.

As far as the statement goes, the church leaves it up to the individual to determine if they want to tithe net or gross.

For example, back in 2008 ABC News declared that Mitt Romney "funneled" millions of dollars in cash and stocks from Bain Capital to the church. In reality, the vast majority of what they accused him of embezzling was actually his tithing; not only did he tithe based on his salary, he also tithed based on his stock options. ABC was hoping to slander his good name by publishing that hit piece, but in reality all it did was depict Romney as being even more pious than needed.

 

[Soyeong]

In the Bible, Jesus tells us that He wants all to come to Him, learn about Him and be in community with other believers.

Given that this is what God wants, how does Mormonism put a mandatory tithe on their church attendee's? If they will ex-communicate a Mormon for not doing this, then they are not doing God's will because God doesn't ex-communicate His Children, but the Mormon church will for money, 15%.

Why is this? No Christian church under the Nicene Creed does this.

Deuteronomy 14:23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always.

In many cases you actually ate what you tithed, but the tithe was also used to help the poor and the Levites who had no inheritance of their own. We are also told to help the poor, so like all other principles taught in the Old Covenant, this is part of the New Covenant. However, there is a separate issue of supporting the place of meeting so that it can continue to function. During the time of Jesus there was a temple tax that had this role of paying for their expenses. Today, our place of meeting still has expenses that need to be paid in order for it to continue to function, such as for staff, insurance, mortage, heating, air conditioning, electrical, plumbing, janitorial, lawn care, parking lot maintenance, coffee, and other maintenance.

I've heard of other churches requiring 10%, so I don't think it's just Mormons, and usually it's required of members, not visitors. As much as we don't want to hinder people from coming, there is the reality that a church will close down if its bills are not paid. It is appropriate for members to support what they benefit from and cover the costs of what they use and in theory it's better if people voluntarily do so, but I don't think it is entirely unreasonable to require it.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Teaching that a 10% tithe is commanded by God is one thing, if it's done on the honor system.

If the church leadership gets the idea that this gives them the authority to go through their members tax records, that's something different altogether.

 

[ToBeLoved]

You do realize that this post here clearly indicates that your OP is full of false information, correct?

In other words, you just exposed yourself.

As far as the statement goes, the church leaves it up to the individual to determine if they want to tithe net or gross.

For example, back in 2008 ABC News declared that Mitt Romney "funneled" millions of dollars in cash and stocks from Bain Capital to the church. In reality, the vast majority of what they accused him of embezzling was actually his tithing; not only did he tithe based on his salary, he also tithed based on his stock options. ABC was hoping to slander his good name by publishing that hit piece, but in reality all it did was depict Romney as being even more pious than needed.

That was a direct quote from a Mormon.

If you read from the top, it says

On March 19, 1970, the LDS First Presidency sent a letter

the quote you accuse me of lying about was not even written by me, but a Mormon. The LDS First President. lol

 

[ToBeLoved]

Deuteronomy 14:23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always.

In many cases you actually ate what you tithed, but the tithe was also used to help the poor and the Levites who had no inheritance of their own. We are also told to help the poor, so like all other principles taught in the Old Covenant, this is part of the New Covenant. However, there is a separate issue of supporting the place of meeting so that it can continue to function. During the time of Jesus there was a temple tax that had this role of paying for their expenses. Today, our place of meeting still has expenses that need to be paid in order for it to continue to function, such as for staff, insurance, mortage, heating, air conditioning, electrical, plumbing, janitorial, lawn care, parking lot maintenance, coffee, and other maintenance.

I've heard of other churches requiring 10%, so I don't think it's just Mormons, and usually it's required of members, not visitors. As much as we don't want to hinder people from coming, there is the reality that a church will close down if its bills are not paid. It is appropriate for members to support what they benefit from and cover the costs of what they use and in theory it's better if people voluntarily do so, but I don't think it is entirely unreasonable to require it.

You do agree that tithing was under the Old Covenant and is not in the New Covenant. I see that you quoted Deuteronomy.

I also know of churches that suggest a tithe in Christianity.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Why is this? No Christian church under the Nicene Creed does this.

see above

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I also know of churches that suggest a tithe in Christianity.

Either you do or you don't, which is it?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Either you do or you don't, which is it?

I used 'require' in one example and 'suggest' in the other. These two words mean two different things and are not the same.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I used 'require' in one example and 'suggest' in the other. These two words mean two different things and are not the same.

I don’t see require, perhaps it hasn’t been changed yet. I grow tired of your dance, continue on with your Mormon bashing.