Failed Prophecy of the Church

[juvenissun]

For us the Judgement Day is present whenever a Manifestation of God appears. That also marks the end of the Age and the beginning of a new one.

Whatever version it is, it is a Judgement Day.

 

[smaneck]

Whatever version it is, it is a Judgement Day.

But it is not a Doomsday.

 

[Hank77]

There's also the issue of these verses being written AFTER the destruction of the Temple.

What issue is that?

People have certainly spilled a lot of ink regarding that prophecy. The explanation I've heard that is most sensible to me is that "this generation" refers to the generation that begins seeing the signs. That is, the end-time events, once triggered, will progress quickly:


If the fig tree truly represents Israel and the beginning of end-time events, then I would expect the end to arrive within the lifetimes of people who were alive in 1948. That is, prior to 2050 or so.

If the scripture is referring to the State of Israel in 1948 then who are all the other trees in the scripture?
Luk 21:29 And he spake a simile to them: `See the fig-tree, and all the trees,
Luk 21:30 when they may now cast forth, having seen, of yourselves ye know that now is the summer nigh;
Luk 21:31 so also ye, when ye may see these things happening, ye know that near is the reign of God;
Luk 21:32 verily I say to you--This generation may not pass away till all may have come to pass;

 

[mmksparbud]

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Mar 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.


It is talking about the generation that sees these things come to pass.

 

[juvenissun]

But it is not a Doomsday.

For those who are judged in a negative way, would be a doomsday too?
Also the doomsday has a meaning of the final day. That would fit the meaning of the Judgement Day.

 

[smaneck]

For those who are judged in a negative way, would be a doomsday too?

Doomsday in what sense?

 

[juvenissun]

Doomsday in what sense?

Things ended for one in this world.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Here's what a quick trip to Wikipedia taught me about Baha'i eschatology:

"In Bahá'í belief, creation has neither a beginning nor an end.[3] Instead, the eschatology of other religions is viewed as symbolic. In Bahá'í belief, human time is marked by a series of progressive revelations in which successive messengers or prophets come from God.[4] The coming of each of these messengers is seen as the day of judgment to the adherents of the previous religion, who may choose to accept the new messenger and enter the "heaven" of belief, or denounce the new messenger and enter the "hell" of denial. In this view, the terms "heaven" and "hell" are seen as symbolic terms for the person's spiritual progress and their nearness to or distance from God.[4] In Bahá'í belief, the coming of Bahá'u'lláh, the founder of the Bahá'í Faith, signals the fulfilment of previous eschatological expectations of Islam, Christianity and other major religions."

So no, it's very clearly NOT a doomsday religion, lacking both the concept of a "Final Judgment" and of an End of Days.

 

[juvenissun]

Here's what a quick trip to Wikipedia taught me about Baha'i eschatology:

"In Bahá'í belief, creation has neither a beginning nor an end.[3] Instead, the eschatology of other religions is viewed as symbolic. In Bahá'í belief, human time is marked by a series of progressive revelations in which successive messengers or prophets come from God.[4] The coming of each of these messengers is seen as the day of judgment to the adherents of the previous religion, who may choose to accept the new messenger and enter the "heaven" of belief, or denounce the new messenger and enter the "hell" of denial. In this view, the terms "heaven" and "hell" are seen as symbolic terms for the person's spiritual progress and their nearness to or distance from God.[4] In Bahá'í belief, the coming of Bahá'u'lláh, the founder of the Bahá'í Faith, signals the fulfilment of previous eschatological expectations of Islam, Christianity and other major religions."

So no, it's very clearly NOT a doomsday religion, lacking both the concept of a "Final Judgment" and of an End of Days.

I never know what Bahai is. It must be a recent religion similar to the JW or Mormon which derived from a major religion. I feel Bahai goes quite far away from Islam when compared to JW or Mormon. And I don't think Bahai will expand or even survive in the next couple hundreds of years.

 

[smaneck]

I never know what Bahai is. It must be a recent religion similar to the JW or Mormon which derived from a major religion. I feel Bahai goes quite far away from Islam when compared to JW or Mormon. A

The Baha'i Faith has the same relationship to Islam that Christianity has to Judaism. And there is no evidence we are dying. The one religion which might not make for another couple of hundred years is venerable Zoroastrianism. But that is because of their low birth rate that the fact most of them won't accept converts.

 

[juvenissun]

The Baha'i Faith has the same relationship to Islam that Christianity has to Judaism. And there is no evidence we are dying. The one religion which might not make for another couple of hundred years is venerable Zoroastrianism. But that is because of their low birth rate that the fact most of them won't accept converts.

I do not have any evidence to say that Baha'i would diminish in the future. I just compare the origin of Baha'i with that of JW and Mormon. All three are "new" religions based on established ones. I do not know if there were similar religions rose and fell in the history. If not, then it is quite an interesting feature that there are a few sprung up in the recent centuries. And it seems there are also new branches of Buddhism established in the recent history. All these minor religions may coexist until a specific time.

 

[smaneck]

I do not have any evidence to say that Baha'i would diminish in the future. I just compare the origin of Baha'i with that of JW and Mormon. All three are "new" religions based on established ones.

Uh, so was Christianity.

I do not know if there were similar religions rose and fell in the history.

The only ethical monotheism which I know of which lasted a few centuries then died out is Manicheanism.

If not, then it is quite an interesting feature that there are a few sprung up in the recent centuries.

You realize there were dozens of people during Jesus' time claiming to the Messiah? That is why He kept warning about false prophets.

 

[juvenissun]

The Baha'i Faith has the same relationship to Islam that Christianity has to Judaism. And there is no evidence we are dying. The one religion which might not make for another couple of hundred years is venerable Zoroastrianism. But that is because of their low birth rate that the fact most of them won't accept converts.

I don't think so. Baha'i changed the doctrine of Islam a lot. But Christianity does not change a single doctrine in Judaism.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I don't think so. Baha'i changed the doctrine of Islam a lot. But Christianity does not change a single doctrine in Judaism.

Oh my...

There's more common ground between Judaism and Islam than there could ever be between Judaism and Christianity, both theologically and in terms of their extensive law-based morality.

 

[juvenissun]

Oh my...

There's more common ground between Judaism and Islam than there could ever be between Judaism and Christianity, both theologically and in terms of their extensive law-based morality.

May be.

But this argument does not do anything to the fact that Christianity does not change a bit on the doctrine of Judaism. It is only an extension of Judaism. This critical extension completes what's lacking in the Judaism.

 

[Armoured]

I don't think so. Baha'i changed the doctrine of Islam a lot. But Christianity does not change a single doctrine in Judaism.

Jews accept the trinity now?

 

[juvenissun]

Jews accept the trinity now?

If they do, they are Christians.
All Christians accept that YHWH is God.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

May be.

But this argument does not do anything to the fact that Christianity does not change a bit on the doctrine of Judaism. It is only an extension of Judaism. This critical extension completes what's lacking in the Judaism.

And thus, changes it.

 

[juvenissun]

And thus, changes it.

Or, completed it.

 

[LoAmmi]

Or, completed it.

It is just fine as is.