Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[Loudmouth]

You see and you said I was not learning anything from you. It is about time you finally admit and fess up to the truth.

Present the evidence. No more cop outs.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Where is your evidence that the population explosion occurred in the Eden spoken of in the Bible?

Again I am talking about what we read in the Biology book. There is a whole section in there on the ecology, Ecosystems and communities and how they make up the Biosphere. You can get a used Bio book for real cheap, sometimes only five bucks. So you should read and study up a bit on Biology and learn what it is all about. Evolution is a very interesting subject and we can learn a lot when we study it. True science supports the Bible. Or if you do not want to read a Biology text book you can get a copy of a book by a guy named Gould. He was a Harvard professor that died before his time most likely he died early because he denied God. His good good friend Eldridge was not really a christian but he did not fight against Christianity and he is still alive. They came up with the theory about punctuated equilibrium: "is a theory in evolutionary biology which proposes that once species appear in the fossil record they will become stable, showing little net evolutionary change for most of their geological history. This state is called stasis." It is a very interesting theory so you can do a google search and read up on it.

This is what I am talking about. The Biology book and how it is jam packed and filled to over flowing with evidence that the Bible is true. But I have to warn you that God will hold you accountable for what you know. To those whom much is given much is expected. For those to whom little is given then God expects little in return.

 

[The Cadet]

Only if they lie or steal from a Muslim. They can lie, cheat or terrorize an "infidel" (non Muslim) and that is fine.

Do I have to make my analogies as stupid and unreal as possible to avoid confusion or something?

"A criminal who starts to believe that if he steals and lies Fluttershy will come down from the sky and assault them will change his behavior as a result. G3 Fluttershy."

 

[ScottA]

My position is backed by evidence, so it isn't a bare assertion.

Just as we are clear that the terms you are suggesting is that you get to make up anything you want, and we are forced to accept it as true without any evidence or reasoning, we are never allowed to question it, and you will insult us if we refuse to accept it. Does that cover all the bases?

There are plenty of reasonable people already at the evidence table. You can't bully your way to the table. You need evidence.

Your evidence can not be distinguished from something that is made up or doesn't exist. Do you really think that just asserting something is evidence?

What is my position?

1. Your evidence is not acceptable in His courts. I have accepted that comeback from you, now you need to accept it from me, in order to have a dialog.
2. Everything you claim is made up too...I told you that. But you don't have to accept anything we tell you, just as I don't have to accept anything you tell me. I have not been insulting you. It is your perception of reality that insults you. I have simply been honest, and yet it runs contrary to what you "believe" is true. Remember, I live here too, I know what you know of this perceived reality...but I also know of another reality: If I knew chocolate as well as vanilla, and you only know about vanilla...you should at least consider that I am possibly not crazy, but realize there could be more out there. It's not an insult...but if you don't want chocolate (so to speak), fine.
3. You keep repeating the evidence card, which you don't acknowledge is just as worthless to you as yours is to me. The difference is, I am not demanding you do the same...because it is pointless.
4. Your evidence is absolutely contrived...as I have been trying to tell you. My Authority is bigger than your authority. Your assertions are no different than mine...except that they are yours. They mean nothing in our dialog.

 

[Loudmouth]

Again I am talking about what we read in the Biology book.

I have never read any biology book that says humanity spread out from the Garden of Eden as described in the Bible. Perhaps you could cite one?

There is a whole section in there on the ecology, Ecosystems and communities and how they make up the Biosphere.

And no mention of Eden.

True science supports the Bible.

Which means that you define all science that doesn't support the Bible as False science. Yeah, we've seen this game before.

Or if you do not want to read a Biology text book you can get a copy of a book by a guy named Gould. He was a Harvard professor that died before his time most likely he died early because he denied God.

Why don't you cite one of Gould's books where he says that humanity emerged from the Garden of Eden as described in the Bible.

They came up with the theory about punctuated equilibrium: "is a theory in evolutionary biology which proposes that once species appear in the fossil record they will become stable, showing little net evolutionary change for most of their geological history. This state is called stasis." It is a very interesting theory so you can do a google search and read up on it.

I guarantee that I know more about PE than you do, and I know that it doesn't involve some mythical garden found in Genesis.

This is what I am talking about. The Biology book and how it is jam packed and filled to over flowing with evidence that the Bible is true.

LIKE WHAT??????

 

[joshua 1 9]

Do you understand the significance of just assuming that a story is recorded history?

History is based on Artifacts. Science also uses artifacts as well as geology and other natural records. For example I have a fossil of a "Natural Ellipsocephalus Trilobite Fossil Found in Czech Republic! 58.9gr" that I bought on Ebay for about $10. That is a part of the natural record that Science is based on. With history we have what we call written history. They have clay tablets that goes back to the Sumerians and the beginning of records and written language. In some cases Isis is trying to destroy the artifacts that we study and that tells us about the beginning of Civilization. So we have written history and we have artifacts that support written history. Just like Science has the natural record and there we learn from fossils and other geological elements. Everyone has the exact same artifacts and evidence to examine and everyone can come up with all of their own conclusions.

 

[HitchSlap]

I claim nothing, that's just how God works.

I totally agree with this.

 

[Loudmouth]

Your evidence is not acceptable in His courts. I have accepted that comeback from you, now you need to accept it from me, in order to have a dialog.

Why not? Because you say so? Do you think you are God?

Again, your entire argument comes down to "because I say so".

Everything you claim is made up too...I told you that.

And there it is again.

Are these fossils made up?

I have not been insulting you. It is your perception of reality that insults you.

Why? Because you say so?

I have simply been honest, and yet it runs contrary to what you "believe" is true.

You have not presented any evidence that runs counter to anything I have said.

You keep repeating the evidence card, which you don't acknowledge is just as worthless to you as yours is to me.

It isn't worthless to me. I use evidence.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution

Your evidence is absolutely contrived...

Show me how the evidence cited above is contrived.

My Authority is bigger than your authority.

Why? Because you say so?

 

[joshua 1 9]

I have never read any biology book that says humanity spread out from the Garden of Eden as described in the Bible. Perhaps you could cite one?

Yes I can, it is called: "The Food Crisis in PreHistory" written by Mark Nathan Cohen. NOTICE the name COHEN, you may have seen that family name in a study called: Y-chromosomal Aaron.

The Food Crisis in Prehistory: Overpopulation and the Origins of Agriculture Paperback – September 10, 1979

Mark Nathan Cohen is SUNY University Distinguished Professor of Anthropology and Distinguished Teaching Professor of Anthropology. A veteran of 30 years on the Plattsburgh campus, he obtained his A.B. degree from Harvard College in 1965 and his Ph.D. degree in anthropology from Columbia University in 1971.


Education

• Ph.D. in Anthropology, Columbia University, 1971.
• A.B., Harvard College, 1965.

Teaching Areas
Professor Cohen's teaching and research interests include human evolution, human demographic history, cultural evolution, human health, biology and ecology, the delivery of medical care, skeletal pathology (involving a laboratory with some 600 archaeological human skeletons from outside the country) and forensic anthropology.

Research Areas

• The relationship between population growth, "progress" and changes in health and life expectancy.
• Archaeological field work in Georgia, Wyoming, Chile, Peru, Greece, Kenya, and Tanzania, Belize.

Awards and Honors

• Chancellor Awards for Teaching.
• Phi Eta Sigma Teaching Award.
• J.S. Guggenheim Fellowship.
• Fulbright Fellowship to Israel.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes I can, it is called: "The Food Crisis in PreHistory" written by Mark Nathan Cohen. NOTICE the name COHEN, you may have seen that family name in a study called: Y-chromosomal Aaron.

The Food Crisis in Prehistory: Overpopulation and the Origins of Agriculture Paperback – September 10, 1979

Mark Nathan Cohen is SUNY University Distinguished Professor of Anthropology and Distinguished Teaching Professor of Anthropology. A veteran of 30 years on the Plattsburgh campus, he obtained his A.B. degree from Harvard College in 1965 and his Ph.D. degree in anthropology from Columbia University in 1971.


Education

• 
  
  
  • Ph.D. in Anthropology, Columbia University, 1971.
  • A.B., Harvard College, 1965.

Teaching Areas
Professor Cohen's teaching and research interests include human evolution, human demographic history, cultural evolution, human health, biology and ecology, the delivery of medical care, skeletal pathology (involving a laboratory with some 600 archaeological human skeletons from outside the country) and forensic anthropology.

Research Areas

• 
  
  
  • The relationship between population growth, "progress" and changes in health and life expectancy.
  • Archaeological field work in Georgia, Wyoming, Chile, Peru, Greece, Kenya, and Tanzania, Belize.

Awards and Honors

• 
  
  
  • Chancellor Awards for Teaching.
  • Phi Eta Sigma Teaching Award.
  • J.S. Guggenheim Fellowship.
  • Fulbright Fellowship to Israel.

And no mention of humanity expanding out of the Garden of Eden as described by Genesis, just as I said.

 

[ScottA]

Why not? Because you say so? Do you think you are God?
Again, your entire argument comes down to "because I say so".
And there it is again.
Are these fossils made up?

Why? Because you say so?
You have not presented any evidence that runs counter to anything I have said.
It isn't worthless to me. I use evidence.
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution
Show me how the evidence cited above is contrived.
Why? Because you say so?

1. Yes, because I say so (just as you say my evidence is not evidence to you). But, unlike you, I do recognize why it is not acceptable...because it shouldn't be: Your physical evidence is not admissible in my court, and my spiritual evidence is not admissible in your court.
2. Fossils are physical and not admissible.
3. You have not yet considered my evidence...because you are unqualified, you are only physical. I, on the other hand, am qualified to access your evidence, but it is not admissible because the Judge over my court has ruled it "created" (made up).

...So...all that leaves is a respectful or disrespectful opportunity to dialog. We have done disrespectful, and it's not working. If you would like to offer me the same courtesy of "no evidence" then perhaps we can try something respectful. Perhaps not.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, because I say so (just as you say my evidence is not evidence to you).

It is not evidence to anyone.

Your physical evidence is not admissible in my court, and my spiritual evidence is not admissible in your court.

Physical evidence is not admissible? What type of court is this? The Court of Denial?

You made the accusation that I didn't have physical evidence for my assertions. I guess you have changed your tune.

Fossils are physical and not admissible.

You deny what everyone can see, yet can't show anyone what you claim exists. Go figure.

You have not yet considered my evidence...

Bare assertions are not evidence.

 

[dad]

You are assuming a different state past.

I onow you do not know any state of the past. Scripture says we were here from the getgo. Since science doesn't know what would fossilize or not, there is no reason to assume man was not here. Ignorance does not trump God.

 

[Loudmouth]

I onow you do not know any state of the past.

You are assuming a different state past.

Scripture says we were here from the getgo.

You are assuming that Scripture is infallible.

Since science doesn't know what would fossilize or not, there is no reason to assume man was not here.

There is no reason to assume he was there.

Ignorance does not trump God.

You are not God, even though you apparently like to pretend that you are.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And no mention of humanity expanding out of the Garden of Eden as described by Genesis, just as I said.

What I said was that there was a beginning in the middle east and farming spread out to the rest of the world from that point of origin or beginning. Recorded history is a valuable tool in understanding what is going on. There is no conflict between a true man of God and a true man of science. There can only be a conflict if they are not true to what they claim to believe. We can only go where the evidence leads us. The written historical record does not conflict with the natural record they compliment each other. The evidence only needs to be properly handled and understood.

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth." 2 tim 2 15

Evolution is all about beginnings. Here is a link that talks about 25 beginnings in the history of the earth.
http://www.bbc.com/earth/bespoke/story/20150123-earths-25-biggest-turning-points/

 

[ScottA]

It is not evidence to anyone.
Physical evidence is not admissible? What type of court is this? The Court of Denial?
You made the accusation that I didn't have physical evidence for my assertions. I guess you have changed your tune.
You deny what everyone can see, yet can't show anyone what you claim exists. Go figure.
Bare assertions are not evidence.

1. Correction: It is not evidence to anyone who only exists in the natural world.
2. Thank you for asking "What type of court it is?" We will not be able to proceed until you have an answer: My court is not of this world. Do you understand that we are talking about a kingdom, a reality, a dimension, beyond this world?
3. My accusations have only to put the same terms on you that you have put on me: Your evidence is "made up" and physical, so it is not recognized in my spiritual court. If you would have accepted spiritual things from me, I would have accepted physical things from you...but you would not. These are your terms.
4. But I do not deny your evidence...as I said, I live here too, and am fully aware of the things you are claiming, and I am okay with it...IF...you are okay with my spiritual evidence. But you have not been. And then comes the problem of you not being able to process my evidence. As it stands, because you cannot process it, we can only offer each other non-evidence information. You are the limiting factor.
5. Bare assertions is all you have to offer too (as I said). Your assertions do not hold up in spiritual court...anymore than mine do not hold up in physical court.

...So...what do you want to do?

 

[joshua 1 9]

You are not God, even though you apparently like to pretend that you are.

We are not stars and yet Carl Sagun says we are: "star stuff".

"34Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS '? 35"If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),36do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ..." John 10

 

[Smidlee]

1. Yes, because I say so (just as you say my evidence is not evidence to you). But, unlike you, I do recognize why it is not acceptable...because it shouldn't be: Your physical evidence is not admissible in my court, and my spiritual evidence is not admissible in your court.
2. Fossils are physical and not admissible.
3. You have not yet considered my evidence...because you are unqualified, you are only physical. I, on the other hand, am qualified to access your evidence, but it is not admissible because the Judge over my court has ruled it "created" (made up).

...So...all that leaves is a respectful or disrespectful opportunity to dialog. We have done disrespectful, and it's not working. If you would like to offer me the same courtesy of "no evidence" then perhaps we can try something respectful. Perhaps not.

You mean you don't accept Talkorigins website as THE TRUTH.

 

[dad]

You are assuming a different state past.



You are assuming that Scripture is infallible.



There is no reason to assume he was there.



You are not God, even though you apparently like to pretend that you are.

There is reason to absolutely know man was here. God says so. Science runs around like a turkey squawking 'man was not here because he left no remains we can see'. Science cannot say whether we would have fossolized, they only say we should have according to present laws!

 

[dad]

You mean you don't accept Talkorigins website as THE TRUTH.

I accept it as watered down diluted part truths mixed evil Satanic innuendos...does that count?