There is no Creation Debate

[Subduction Zone]

The change was from what was before, not a change in what now is. As for bible, your long term blasphemy and slander of Scripture eliminates you from being worthy of listening to.

What are you talking about? You can't show where I ever blasphemed and I am getting tired of these personal attacks. Disagreeing with your errant interpretation of the Bible is not blasphemy.

And you are merely nattering again because you know that you can't provide reasonable evidence for your claims.

 

[tiglathpileser]

Which school district? Cite your sources.
If true, that district will be sued and will lose. It's been ruled that teaching creationism in a public school is a violation of the constitution. It has also been ruled that it is not scientific. Evolution is an observable fact. Creationism is not science.
Should we teach alchemy along side chemistry too? Should we teach astrology along side astronomy?

I don't know. Why don't you ask the education authorities. I didn't make the decision they did. And teaching creationism in public schools is a violation of the constitution. Care to quote the part it violates?

 

[tiglathpileser]

It debunks itself, the story is just plain silly and have no actual correlation to what been observed by early atempts trying to prove and find evidence for the biblical flood. If you read the history of how natural science developed during the 18th and 19th century it becomes very clear there exists no evidence for the biblical myth of a flood.

So there is no evidence, just your opinion. Thankyou, that is what I thought.

 

[tiglathpileser]

The evidence is called 'genetics' and can be studied at any university. Unless you want to apeel to magic (which creationists does in this case), a population of two individuals would degenerate the entire populations genome in a few generation to such extent it would most likely self-terminate, i.e. die out, in less than 6000 years.

Thankyou for your opinion and the fact that you have admitted there is no evidence apart from your flawed hypothesis.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't know. Why don't you ask the education authorities. I didn't make the decision they did. And teaching creationism in public schools is a violation of the constitution. Care to quote the part it violates?

The establishment clause. Courts have been very clear on this.

 

[tiglathpileser]

The establishment clause. Courts have been very clear on this.

Yes it has been very clear as it says....

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

The Establishment Clause was written by Congressman Fisher Ames in 1789, who derived it from discussions in the First Congress of various drafts that would become the amendments comprising the Bill of Rights. The second half of the Establishment Clause includes the Free Exercise Clause, which guarantees freedom from governmental interference in both private and public religious affairs of all kinds.

The Establishment clause was one that related to the law making ability of Congress. It had nothing at all to do with the local school as the local school is not Congress.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes it has been very clear as it says....

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

The Establishment Clause was written by Congressman Fisher Ames in 1789, who derived it from discussions in the First Congress of various drafts that would become the amendments comprising the Bill of Rights. The second half of the Establishment Clause includes the Free Exercise Clause, which guarantees freedom from governmental interference in both private and public religious affairs of all kinds.

The Establishment clause was one that related to the law making ability of Congress. It had nothing at all to do with the local school as the local school is not Congress.

That is your unsupported opinion. All of the court cases that your side has lost tells us a different story. Now I know that you don't agree with the interpretation of the constitution by some of the best judges in the U.S., but you are no more in a position to tell a judge is wrong than you are in a position to tell a scientist that he is wrong.

 

[dad]

Thus, yea have spoken, so be it.

I see.

 

[dad]

YThe second half of the Establishment Clause includes the Free Exercise Clause, which guarantees freedom from governmental interference in both private and public religious affairs of all kinds....

Hilarious..anyone actually think the US regimes give a rat's petard about the constitution??

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hilarious..anyone actually think the US regimes give a rat's petard about the constitution??

They honor it far more than you do. You see unlike you they actually follow it.

 

[dad]

They honor it far more than you do. You see unlike you they actually follow it.

Flush..

"President Obama famously has a pen and a phone. And if he had the same powers that Hugo Chavez had, that would be all he would need to impose Hugo Chavez’s programs on America, unilaterally by decree. President Obama is telling us by his words, and his actions, that he thinks he has at least some of those powers. He is telling us by his words and his actions that he will not obey the law, and follow the Constitution he is sworn to uphold by his Presidential Oath of Office. That is the Constitutional Crisis presently facing America..."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2014/02/21/americas-constitutional-crisis/#42a4ae7563d3

 

[tiglathpileser]

That is your unsupported opinion. All of the court cases that your side has lost tells us a different story. Now I know that you don't agree with the interpretation of the constitution by some of the best judges in the U.S., but you are no more in a position to tell a judge is wrong than you are in a position to tell a scientist that he is wrong.

And you are in no position to tell God that he is wrong.

 

[tiglathpileser]

This is so tedious. Learn this carefully:

If you make a claim, the responsibility lies with you to provide the evidence to support your claim! It is known most commonly as 'the burden of proof'.

People like yourself fail to carry this burden. You make outlandish claims and then, displaying a dishonest intellect, you demand that it is the person who will not accept your claim that must provide the evidence!

Writers of which "day"? Certainly not of the time when these events are claimed to have occurred.

Yes it is tedious. When are you going to provide the evidence to support your claim that God doesn't exist? I have never demanded that anyone provide proof that God exists. All I have ever asked is that you provide proof for your claim that God does not exist. As you know, if you make a claim, the responsibility lies with you to provide the evidence to support your claim!

Writers of which day? Dear oh me we are so obtuse. Why don't you read Josephus to start with. He was a Jew who wrote the history of the time Jesus was on the earth from a Jewish perspective, not a christian one.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And you are in no position to tell God that he is wrong.

I would never dream of doing so. You on the other hand, that is not a problem.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes it is tedious. When are you going to provide the evidence to support your claim that God doesn't exist? I have never demanded that anyone provide proof that God exists. All I have ever asked is that you provide proof for your claim that God does not exist. As you know, if you make a claim, the responsibility lies with you to provide the evidence to support your claim!

Writers of which day? Dear oh me we are so obtuse. Why don't you read Josephus to start with. He was a Jew who wrote the history of the time Jesus was on the earth from a Jewish perspective, not a christian one.

I am sorry but this is very dishonest of you. There was no claim made that God does not exist. Try to keep on subject.

And Josephus barely mentioned the man named Jesus. Also one of his two mentions of him is thought to be a forgery. Also Josephus was a full generation after Jesus, he never knew the man.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

I don't know. Why don't you ask the education authorities

I don't have to. This was one of the cross examination questions to one of the defendants. It was asked if his definition of science would make alchemy and astrology a scientific theory. He said that it would. He basically was made a fool of.

Care to quote the part it violates?

The establishment clause. This was proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law and ruled by a conservative Christian judge.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Flush..

"President Obama famously has a pen and a phone. And if he had the same powers that Hugo Chavez had, that would be all he would need to impose Hugo Chavez’s programs on America, unilaterally by decree. President Obama is telling us by his words, and his actions, that he thinks he has at least some of those powers. He is telling us by his words and his actions that he will not obey the law, and follow the Constitution he is sworn to uphold by his Presidential Oath of Office. That is the Constitutional Crisis presently facing America..."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2014/02/21/americas-constitutional-crisis/#42a4ae7563d3

dad, we were not discussing Obama. Why even bring this up? In fact in the last evolution trial that your side lost the judge was a conservative appointed by Bush.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't have to. This was one of the cross examination questions to one of the defendants. It was asked if his definition of science would make alchemy and astrology a scientific theory. He said that it would. He basically was made a fool of.



The establishment clause. This was proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law and ruled by a conservative Christian judge.

Sadly he would not let himself understand this point.

 

[HitchSlap]

Of course? Of course what? Of course, children not knowing there is such a thing as a mother, would have to BE TOLD and LEARN from someone else, and in NO WAY be able to access their own origin otherwise?

Exactly.

 

[HitchSlap]

I see.

Maybe.