Evolution Promotes Brutality

[Heissonear]

Of course evolution promotes as it is the core of a specific world view. With all of us, we live according to our world view. Evolution promotes the "There is no God" dogma and creation by God promotes "There is a God" belief system. From those two, the way we live is determined.

With the "There is no God" dogma, man is the centre of the universe and he is answerable to no one except himself. With the "There is a God" belief system man is not the centre of the universe and he is answerable to a higher being.

A classic example of how that works out in reality is that over the last 50 years as man has slowly made the decision that he is going to be the centre of the universe and will answer to no one he has embarked upon actions that are barbaric and which the government decided to legalise. Prior to that it would have been unthinkable.

It is sad that the perspective you present is not taught in public schools anymore. The resultant decay in society is apparent. So much "self centered" rather than "God centered" people being raised in society.

Evolution has been one of the foundational tenets for "why". A mental snare utilized by satan.

 

[expos4ever]

Also, SkyWriting, you raised an interesting issue when you spoke of nonliving matter. There is some real degree of philosophical debate here. I, myself, am a panpsychist. I believe that all things , on all their aspects, consist of minds or psyches. Hence, all matter is alive.

Are you familiar with David Chalmers? He is a philosopher who is at least sympathetic to the notion that all matter has consciousness, a term that Chalmers carefully qualifies in order to restrict its meaning to subjective inner states (sensations of colour, for example). I find his arguments very compelling, and they are certainly rigorous and cannot be dismissed as new-age mush.

 

[expos4ever]

Evolution promotes anarchy.

How? Please be specific.

 

[AV1611VET]

How? Please be specific.

Is this specific enough?

Usually, they are to some bogus authority, to start with.

 

[JacksBratt]

How? Please be specific.

I don't know if I would say that evolution supports it but it can certainly be used to motivate it.

Hitler is an example. He was creating a super youth and his race was supposed to be superior to all others.

If you think about it, if we all evolved from inferior organisms, then it is easy to fabricate a theory that your race is the best of all and superior.

As far as anarchy, it is also easy to say "if I came from nothing then all rules are just made by someone else. What gives them the right to say what is right and wrong if we are all here by chance anyway. So I will make my rules and there is no one who can tell me I'm wrong. I can do what I want, when I want, take what I want.. what ever, Who do I have to answer to? And when I die there is no penalty to pay.

So, evolution may not promote it but can be used to justify it.

 

[expos4ever]

Is this specific enough?

No, of course it is not. It is not remotely an answer to my question.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, of course it is not. It is not remotely an answer to my question.

Evolutionists:

1. The Bible kicked out of school.
2. The Ten Commandments removed from public property.
3. Claim we aren't a Christian nation.
4. Equal airtime for cults and idols.

And you tell me that's not anarchy?

 

[expos4ever]

I don't know if I would say that evolution supports it but it can certainly be used to motivate it.

Hitler is an example. He was creating a super youth and his race was supposed to be superior to all others.

Well, Hitler was misguided, I suggest. If it is indeed a fact that the living world we see today arose by evolution through natural selection, this provides no basis for actively choose to model that process. "How nature works" is not the only model we can use to promote advancement of the human condition. Yes, evolution by natural selection has led to the development of rich, complex life forms. And yes, there is arguable merit in seeking to improve the richness and robustness of life forms. But there are all sorts of other models we can follow to "improve humanity" that, unlike Hitler's model, are morally defensible. This idea that to believe in evolution means one rejects morality is patently false, even though you hear it a lot.

I think that is self-evident that is better, from all perspectives, to seek to improve the health, vigour, and robustness of the human race through the agency of compassionately-directed technological progress. Instead of letting the baby with birth defects die by "natural selection", we should develop technologies to repair the damage, or prevent it in the first place.

Just because evolution has happened, and even though it has produced the rich life you and I experience as complex, highly sophisticated, highly functional human beings, this does not mean we should not rise above what I agree is the moral ruthlessness of natural selection. I have heard Richard Dawkins - big evolution guy in case you don't know - make basically this same argument.

I want to respond to the second part of your post, but that will have to wait.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Evolutionists:

1. The Bible kicked out of school.
2. The Ten Commandments removed from public property.
3. Claim we aren't a Christian nation.
4. Equal airtime for cults and idols.

And you tell me that's not anarchy?

The majority of Christians in the world accept the ToE as scientific fact.

Unhandled Exception: Divide by zero​

Your argument is invalid.

In addition not one of these points has anything at all to do with evolution; the teaching of it, the acceptance or denial of it.

 

[Cute Tink]

One who believes in evolution believes that everything came from nothing.

Evolution does not say everything came from nothing. Your understanding of evolution is flawed.

 

[Heissonear]

There's so much wrong in this post it's quite incredible, you come across as a being well educated so it's difficult to fathom.

To start at the beginning -



First, The Theory of Evolution does not include abiogenesis, whether life came about through chemical reactions, was seeded by aliens or created by God is neither here nor there. There are Christians who accept evolution on this very webpage, some of our greatest scientists have been religious, what you say is false as I'm sure you're aware. I suppose it's desperation driving you to post such nonsense.

Secondly, I'm positive you won't find an atheist who claims 'everything came from nothing', I certainly don't believe such a thing and I'm not even sure what it means. I do believe natural causes are responsible for the diversity of life we see around us however.



That is lazy thinking and plain wrong. The scientific investigations into the theory of evolution provide data that can be objectively verified by anyone with the training to do so (Notice that I said objectively). Despite Creationists constantly trying to bring God into the topic it's a non issue, maybe you would care to find a scientific paper (not an article from a creationist website) that has anything to do with biology, geology, paleontology that discusses God. Besides, I think you'll find that the majority of Christians also accept the TOE, it is only those with a specific interpretation of the bible that refuse to accept observations of the world that can't be refuted. The TOE has never been refuted by science, trying to make it into a philosophical debate is tantamount to admitting defeat. You've got nothing.



Feel free to visit one of Loudmouths ERV threads, there is objective evidence there to be discussed. I'm an atheist but I have never used your imaginary 'God doesn't exist' argument, yet you are doing exactly what you accuse others of. If you wish to be taken seriously please show us how the evidence for the TOE is faulty, don't try to turn it into a philosophical debate... it isn't on. BTW, my scientific knowledge is as you say minimal, which is why I don't go around telling people who are much more qualified than me how to do their jobs and that they are wrong.



You're fond of making these sweeping statements but can't back them up. What evidence have you presented? You're not resorting to bluster are you?



What have you exposed 'evolutionists' as? I think your post demonstrates your own shortcomings more than anyone else.

A lot of words but very little true understanding of the subject matter.

You state placing God into the subject or topic is an oddity for biology, geology, physics, etc.

You have no clue.

What you have is Naturalism. A nice little dust box. Minus the entirety of the Spiritual Realm in our midst running the show. The Heavens Rule.

Enjoy the dust.

 

[Jimmy D]

A lot of words but very little true understanding of the subject matter.

You state placing God into the subject or topic is an oddity for biology, geology, physics, etc.

You have no clue.

What you have is Naturalism. A nice little dust box. Minus the entirety of the Spiritual Realm in our midst running the show. The Heavens Rule.

Enjoy the dust.

Nice to meet you too!

Can you point out where I erred instead of preaching?

You obviously read this bit

Despite Creationists constantly trying to bring God into the topic it's a non issue, maybe you would care to find a scientific paper (not an article from a creationist website) that has anything to do with biology, geology, paleontology that discusses God.

Was I mistaken?

 

[Heissonear]

Evolutionists:

1. The Bible kicked out of school.
2. The Ten Commandments removed from public property.
3. Claim we aren't a Christian nation.
4. Equal airtime for cults and idols.

And you tell me that's not anarchy?

Only In Christ Jesus are people freed from the Law.

Jesus did not come to abolish the Law.

And Law-breakers want to set the Law aside along with Christ, where-by they are freed from the Law?

Is that not bringing brutality and exalting the Fall!

 

[Heissonear]

Nice to meet you too!

Can you point out where I erred instead of preaching?

You obviously read this bit

Despite Creationists constantly trying to bring God into the topic it's a non issue, maybe you would care to find a scientific paper (not an article from a creationist website) that has anything to do with biology, geology, paleontology that discusses God.

Was I mistaken?

Jimmy, I've been an atheist. Grounded through knowledge, not mere reasoning.

This physical realm shows clear evidence of not needing any divine influence for its existence of what we find happening. Natural processes and understanding the properties of elements and materials explain things happening around us and to us quite nicely.

So say the Naturalism I grew up and walked in before meeting Him.

Need I say again, the Heavens Rule?

Yea, not much to equte that too if you are anchored in only the physical realm, and knowledge thereof.

But there is a Spiritual Realm. Doubters, they have a problem. I was certainly there and one of them in times past.

But one can become aware, even the Spiritual demonstrated before a person like us. It is staggering and life changing when one recieves what the Bible calls "the baptism of the Holy Spirit", when one is "born again" as listed in John 3:3.

Staggering and life changing. A wonder to find Him!

 

[HitchSlap]

Maybe your church is blushing.

Mine isn't.

Pride comes before the fall.

 

[JacksBratt]

The majority of Christians in the world accept the ToE as scientific fact.

Unhandled Exception: Divide by zero​

Your argument is invalid.

In addition not one of these points has anything at all to do with evolution; the teaching of it, the acceptance or denial of it.

Zero of the Christians that I know believe in the TOE....none. IMO and only in my opinion, the theistic evolution is a cop out, it's an insult to the creator who told us that He created it in six days.

 

[TheBear]

To say that evolution "promotes" brutality is like saying that forensic science "promotes" murder. What a goofy notion.

 

[Heissonear]

Evolution does not say everything came from nothing. Your understanding of evolution is flawed.

Cute, it is called Abiogenesis.

"The study of abiogenesis involves three main types of considerations: the geophysical, the chemical, and the biological,[13] with more recent approaches attempting a synthesis of all three.[14] Many approaches investigate how self-replicating molecules, or their components, came into existence. "

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Many people do not see a need for a God to explain things around them. This includes the origin of life on Earth.

People who do not see the need for a God, nor see evidence that a God exists, see natural processes in control. We have just so happen to have come about.

That was my world in upbring, including when getting a higher degree in geology.

Evolution was a given when I took courses like paleontology. Someone carrying a Bible was mentally off or pretty ignorant of the times.

 

[Heissonear]

To say that evolution "promotes" brutality is like saying that forensic science "promotes" murder. What a goofy notion.

Not worth a response, truthfully. You are blowing hot air, and playing alpha.

 

[Heissonear]

Modernism has taken many from "the wild" into a city or subdued terrain where bear, lions, and the like feed no more.

But read Habakkuk 1. Yep, it is type and shadows of what is happening today, particularly as one gets closer to a city.

Who would have ever thought. God has wonderous ways! As far as those only living after what is physical, they know not the times and the Heavens Rule.