Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[In situ]

Should I take that as a NO?

No. It can be shown pretty easy if the basic laws of physics change then it must have involving magic in some way or the other. Invoking magic to explain things might be okay among creationists, however people of reasons tend not to accept such explanations without first been provided with evidence that such magic actually has been observed to exist

Or even if Genesis 1 is a myth, can you show the environment was the same in this "myth" as it is today?

Why would I need to provide evidence that your world of magic and myths are consistent with reality? Isn't that your job to show?

Btw, is is not a question of if Genesis is a myth or not - it is a myth among all the myriads of all other creation myths!

 

[In situ]

Science is myopic.

That is your opinion about science. Disregarding your disrespect for science and knowledge, such opinion makes very little sense to me.

Since you can't measure how fast light travels when enhanced by Shekinah energy, you are forced to use measurements outside of Genesis 1.

Translation: there is no reason to account for non-observed phenomenons when we try to explain something.

Note to self: Shekinah energy = mumble jumble nonsense.

 

[In situ]

These threads are full of atheists, hecklers and wrath, and I am not going to cast my pearls before swine.

Why do you compare all atheist to hecklers and wrath and swines? Are you aware of that many medical doctors are atheists? I would like to suggest you inform your GP about your opinion about atheists next time you seek medical council...

 

[In situ]

The scientific laws of the universe were embedded into God's creation; but were held in subordination to a higher power.

What evidence do you have to support the claim that the laws of nature was created by an act of magic performed by an imagined deity with the powers to do so? Where is your evidence that anything was created at all, i.e. had a start, in the first place? May it not be that your evidence is the "scientific laws" which you already discarded as a cause in the first place?

What I am saying is this; if what you say is true, then 1) scientists would not observe the universe we see today, and 2) the laws we have today would not have been derived, but another set of laws would exists.

I.e. your claim is self-refuting, unless you also want to claim your god is very keen in concealing all the divine doings in this world. Then, in such case, there exists no substance to what you say and no incitement for a man of reason to believe in your god in the first place, am I not correct?

When the Fall occurred, these laws took over in the driver's seat.

Again, where is your evidence that this even happen?

Picture a clock wound up and ticking.

But it isn't ticking from the mainspring, it is ticking from another source of energy.

Where is you evidence that energy from such "other source" even exists?

If you cannot support your claim with evidence then it is just as valid to claim the universe rest on the back of a giant turtle, or that the creation myths in the Old-Norse sagas are just as real. I.e. it is far more likely you are just making up stories, to convince yourself, that your own inconsistent believes of reality could carry any validity. But your stories doesn't - far from. A man of reason regards such stories, if not intellectual immature, at the very least to be complete nonsense when spoken, and believed, by an adult.

 

[AV1611VET]

Invoking magic to explain things might be okay among creationists,

Invoking magic to explain things in the Bible can lead to an improper understanding of what happened.

As I pointed out before:

Imagine scientists on the shores of the Sea of Galilee looking for evidence of a polyglass structure to make it look like Jesus walked on water.

The Masked Magician exposed Chriss Angel walking across a swimming pool by showing it was done with polyglass structures just underneath the water.

If someone wants to claim Jesus used magic as well, then they need to provide evidence of what He used to do it.

If however, someone wants to claim it was a miracle -- not magic -- then that is a different story.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is your opinion about science.

It should be yours as well.

I would think that an honest person would agree with this.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why do you compare all atheist to hecklers and wrath and swines? Are you aware of that many medical doctors are atheists? I would like to suggest you inform your GP about your opinion about atheists next time you seek medical council...

I wasn't aware that my GP posted in these threads.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you cannot support your claim with evidence then it is just as valid to claim the universe rest on the back of a giant turtle,

Something can be valid, but wrong.

If you've ever read my apple challenge threads, you would realize that anyone who claimed I didn't create an apple ex nihilo would be scientifically correct in doing so, but in truth, wrong.

 

[Edmond Smith]

No, I am not. Why are you refusing to see what is obvious? And please, you need to read the Old Testament. The God of the Old Testament had no problem shedding innocent blood. And watch the personal attacks. I would suggest a retraction or an apology.

Your right, God had no problem of shedding blood. He had a reason. Now whether or not it was innocent or not, you nor I can judge that. Only God can.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your right, God had no problem of shedding blood. He had a reason. Now whether or not it was innocent or not, you nor I can judge that. Only God can.

I can judge, I know the difference between right and wrong. The "God" of the OT was rather wicked to say the least.

 

[Edmond Smith]

What exactly do you mean, Edmond, when you speak of God as being outside of time?

• Psalm 139 "Where can I go from your Spirit?... All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."

• Colossians 1:15-17 "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."

• 2 Timothy 1:9 "This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time."

• Titus 1:2 "A faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time."

• Revelation 21 "I am making everything new.... Nothing impure will enter it,.. . but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life."

God is a spirit, He knows all and He knows when everything has, can and will happen. As he answered a prayer from Peter in 36 A.D., He answers my prayers today.
He is omnipresent, He was here before time, (in the sense that we record time) and He will be here (way after our time on earth is thru).

It get's pretty philosophical when we start speaking of time. Because time came into place when matter was created. God created matter, therefore he had to exist before time to create it.

 

[Vicomte13]

Why do you compare all atheist to hecklers and wrath and swines? Are you aware of that many medical doctors are atheists? I would like to suggest you inform your GP about your opinion about atheists next time you seek medical council...

I didn't. I only called the atheists, hecklers and generally wrathful on these threads swine.

 

[dad]

Not unless it affected the mother's breast milk. Remember, babies are not babies until they are born.

But the verse does describe how priests caused pregnant women to miscarry, in other words it was a chemical abortion.

Nope. That had more to do with obedience to God. Jesus told a blind man to wash in a pool. You ask one to wash in tge same pool and see what happens.

 

[dad]

Yours is one of the many flavours of creation stories. As you say, yours is just recent.

Have you come up with anything yet?

False. Belif in creation means belief Jesus created man and all things as the bible says. The demonic so called science flavor of creation is that the bible is wrong. Clear as good and evil.

 

[In situ]

Invoking magic to explain things in the Bible can lead to an improper understanding of what happened.

As I pointed out before:

Imagine scientists on the shores of the Sea of Galilee looking for evidence of a polyglass structure to make it look like Jesus walked on water.

The Masked Magician exposed Chriss Angel walking across a swimming pool by showing it was done with polyglass structures just underneath the water.

If someone wants to claim Jesus used magic as well, then they need to provide evidence of what He used to do it.

If however, someone wants to claim it was a miracle -- not magic -- then that is a different story.

I have made no such claims.

Your claim was that, somehow, the basic laws of physics has chanage. I have claimed that a) you need to invoke magic for this to be possible and b) we would notice if that was the case. Now, unless you try to avoid this issue, what does all this non-sensese about what Jesus et al did has to do with your claim that the laws of physics has been change?

 

[In situ]

Something can be valid, but wrong.

Understand what you mean, but this is not an argument for you, or anyone, being correct. The point is; you are wrong because what you claim is not valid.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Nope. That had more to do with obedience to God. Jesus told a blind man to wash in a pool. You ask one to wash in tge same pool and see what happens.

So a baby is a baby only after birth?

What is it then in the womb?

 

[In situ]

If you've ever read my apple challenge threads, you would realize that anyone who claimed I didn't create an apple ex nihilo would be scientifically correct in doing so, but in truth, wrong.

Can you point me to that thread with a link please?

 

[In situ]

I didn't. I only called the atheists, hecklers and generally wrathful on these threads swine.

Well, I don't believe there exists any gods which implies you must consider me to be a swine as well. What exctely was it I wrote in this thread that earned me that honor?

 

[In situ]

I wasn't aware that my GP posted in these threads.

I wasn't aware that you knew the profession of everyone posting in this thread AV.