Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[dad]

You must realize of course that magic is a primitive fiction?

No. Magic is just a term caveman science uses to describe some things too high for it.

 

[JackRT]

No. Magic is just a term caveman science uses to describe some things too high for it.

Cavemen didn't have science. That is why they turned to magic as an explanation.

 

[Smidlee]

Yes, science is pegged to the present state because that is the only evidence we have to work with. If past state or future state was or will be any different then you are entering the realm of fantasy and magic.

You mean like black holes, dark matter, dark energy, big bang , inflation,etc. If past was any different then it only means it's beyond human understanding exactly like quantum mechanics. A man centuries ago couldn't tell the difference between magic and modern technology.

Cavemen didn't have science. That is why they turned to magic as an explanation.

How did you know that when we have a lot of example of ancient man doing some incredible things?
Modern man still tries to use "magic" as an explanation. Ancient man worshiped the stars as they believe they were the creation of stars exactly like modern man.

 

[Davian]

No, the story of the history of the world (His story), is a finished work. From within the pages of the story, it simply goes from page to page unto the end.

If I (and countless others down through all of recorded history)

Can you name some names, so I know to whom you are comparing yourself?

have seen over the common horizon and do not believe, but "know" something that should be shared...should we not share it?

Keeping in mind that this is a sciences forum, you are welcome to share what you believe, providing that you can back it up with some evidence.

Regardless, you are not alone in your skepticism. If you hadn't noticed, just as God's own people killed the prophets that were sent to them, and are recorded with the same come-backs as you now give, every step of the way along their history, only to be corrected and redirected onto the next phase of revelation...there are still people right here on the forum and all over the world, who make the same arguments continually while even claiming to be Christians.

Stating or implying that another Christian member, or group of members, are not Christian is in violation of the site rules.

And yet...it is the "facts" that have and will prevail. I am good with that...but you, you are quite perfectly aligned with the naysayers, who could not bear the news, and therefore rejected it.

I reject it based on it not comporting with observations of reality.

The question is...will you continue to fall into the same pattern as those who have gone before, or will you be open to seeing beyond the common horizon?

If you mean by that, will I accept your unevidenced assertions? No. I will need more than that to go on.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Wait, I'm sorry, I thought you said you knew something about science?

A lot of what I know about science I get from books that are a very good price because the universities consider them to be outdated. For example a Biology text book in very good condition cost $2.49 plus $3.99 shipping. So there really is no reason why everyone could not have a copy in their library. New that book cost over $100 more. This book is designed to: " meet the needs of every student at every learning level. "

 

[Kylie]

Free will is greatly misunderstood. It is not what we will do that is being played out before us, but what we did do. History is God's [His] story. He is timeless, so the times of the world are storytime telling the story and our part in it. It is finished.

And our part in it? So we are being judged for what we choose to do. So why is doing bad things even an option for us?

You misunderstand. It is not about indoctrination, but about the example that we can witness in a child's behavior, that we should learn from if we are to know the will of God for His children. It is an example of a good father wanting good children, and just what that looks like. It is a guide, by example.

It's telling us that unless we are taught to believe as children we will never get into Heaven. Sounds like indoctrination to me.

Remember, this is not a story of what people want, but what people did, and who is and who is not going beyond the worldly experience to something better. It is insight.

It is still very poorly defined.

This is just more of what is outlined in 1 Corinthians 6:9...more of what people "did" in the story that is "Finished," more of what is not acceptable if you want your part in the story to have a [full] and happy ending. This is the story of you making your choice, of life or death.

This does not explain why God supports the idea of thoughtcrimes. Besides, if it is God's plan that you get a full and happy ending, then it's going to happen, even if you drink and have envious thoughts.

Again, you misunderstand. This is the [finished] story of those who presumed to be smarter than Him who is writing the story, whose story this is...as if Donald Duck could re-write his own story and be his own Walt Disney, and just how utterly foolish that is.

It sure doesn't sound like that to me. To continue your analogy, it sounds to me like Donald is trying to learn more about the world Walt created for him.

Again, this is not a story that we are writing for ourselves. This is the story of us choosing to be a part of the real world (the kingdom of God), or simply die at the end of our storybook tale. Just like what I am telling you now, you can choose to believe it or not, but there are life and death consequences.

The fact you say there are life and death consequences does not mean that there actually ARE.

This confirms everything I have told you about this being a "finished" story ("since before the foundation of the world.").

No, it's about how these guys were saying they got into God's "rest" (I assume they mean Heaven) even though one day when he was ticked off, God said that some people won't get in.

It is not that God has left them out, but I left them out...simply to make the point, and to give you the truth of our story.

God didn't leave them out? Please tell me which part of the Bible says not to rape? Which part of the Bible says, "thou shalt not beat thy wife"?

And in what way does leaving those passages (if they exist) in take away from the story you are trying to tell?

All of what I have told you can be applied to the same principle of this being God's story first, and that our part in it is limited to His terms, and the consequence of thinking we can re-write it to suit our ungodly character. It is finished. John 19:30

All of what you have told me sounds like stretching the interpretation of certain Bible passages in order to fit your ideas. It's something I have seen Christians do many times. Even my husband used to do it to me, but I questioned him and forced him to actually examine those beliefs he held instead of just being told what the passages meant by his church. Now he disagrees with them on some fairly big things.

 

[Kylie]

No, the story of the history of the world (His story), is a finished work. From within the pages of the story, it simply goes from page to page unto the end.

This does not make sense when compared with what you said before.

If I (and countless others down through all of recorded history) have seen over the common horizon and do not believe, but "know" something that should be shared...should we not share it?

Regardless, you are not alone in your skepticism. If you hadn't noticed, just as God's own people killed the prophets that were sent to them, and are recorded with the same come-backs as you now give, every step of the way along their history, only to be corrected and redirected onto the next phase of revelation...there are still people right here on the forum and all over the world, who make the same arguments continually while even claiming to be Christians. And yet...it is the "facts" that have and will prevail. I am good with that...but you, you are quite perfectly aligned with the naysayers, who could not bear the news, and therefore rejected it.

The question is...will you continue to fall into the same pattern as those who have gone before, or will you be open to seeing beyond the common horizon?

If there is an OBJECTIVE way to see beyond this horizon you speak of, tell me and I shall use it.

 

[ScottA]

And our part in it? So we are being judged for what we choose to do. So why is doing bad things even an option for us?

It's telling us that unless we are taught to believe as children we will never get into Heaven. Sounds like indoctrination to me.

It is still very poorly defined.

This does not explain why God supports the idea of thoughtcrimes. Besides, if it is God's plan that you get a full and happy ending, then it's going to happen, even if you drink and have envious thoughts.

It sure doesn't sound like that to me. To continue your analogy, it sounds to me like Donald is trying to learn more about the world Walt created for him.

The fact you say there are life and death consequences does not mean that there actually ARE.

No, it's about how these guys were saying they got into God's "rest" (I assume they mean Heaven) even though one day when he was ticked off, God said that some people won't get in.

God didn't leave them out? Please tell me which part of the Bible says not to rape? Which part of the Bible says, "thou shalt not beat thy wife"?

And in what way does leaving those passages (if they exist) in take away from the story you are trying to tell?

All of what you have told me sounds like stretching the interpretation of certain Bible passages in order to fit your ideas. It's something I have seen Christians do many times. Even my husband used to do it to me, but I questioned him and forced him to actually examine those beliefs he held instead of just being told what the passages meant by his church. Now he disagrees with them on some fairly big things.

You had questions, I had answers. You can choose not to believe any of it...but because we are mere characters [guests] in a story that is not ours unless we get into character, then it would be better to listen, to be a part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Stop complaining. Our only chance at winning any issues we have, is to get along, to hear Him out, to come to an understanding. Clearly, you are not there yet, nor will you be, if you do not change your attitude. You are making matters worse by preoccupying yourself with things you do not understand and will not listen to.

 

[ScottA]

This does not make sense when compared with what you said before.

Because the whole idea is complex to you and foreign. Can you tell me what points do not make sense to you?

If there is an OBJECTIVE way to see beyond this horizon you speak of, tell me and I shall use it.

It doesn't work that way. You cannot have member privileges without being a member (so to speak). You are either in or out. You hold the invitation, what will you do with it?

 

[ScottA]

So it wasn't clear indeed. I mean, not impressed as a source to explain literal truth. I can like the writing and the story, but I also like Harry Potter's writing and story. Harry Potter proves that there are wizards in the same way as the Bible proves there is a God. But the story can still be nice though..

Such are all parables, which if the truth be known, includes every word from God, even every created thing.

But even if you only consider that art reflects life, then there is no excuse. Life should therefore express every truth of God, i.e. good and evil, and those things that He is doing in the world. But it is a good point, that you should separate truth from fiction. Go figure: Truth is His name.

 

[dad]

Cavemen didn't have science. That is why they turned to magic as an explanation.

Relatively speaking modern science is caveman science compared to God's true science.

 

[The Barbarian]

You mean like black holes, dark matter, dark energy, big bang , inflation,etc. If past was any different then it only means it's beyond human understanding exactly like quantum mechanics. A man centuries ago couldn't tell the difference between magic and modern technology.

So far, every time we check the past, things worked just as they do now.

How did you know that when we have a lot of example of ancient man doing some incredible things?

What things do you think ancient humans couldn't have done by natural means?

Modern man still tries to use "magic" as an explanation.

Some do. For some, as you might have noticed here, science is a kind of magic.

 

[The Barbarian]

Relatively speaking modern science is caveman science compared to God's true science.

Science is what one does when one doesn't know all the rules, and has to infer what they are by collecting facts and making some predictions.

Obviously, it's rather impertinent for us to suggest that God uses "science."

 

[AV1611VET]

Obviously, it's rather impertinent for us to suggest that God uses "science."

I agree.

 

[Davian]

I agree.

Me too. Listening to the dialogue, I hear "God opens the sea with a blast from his nostrils".

That doesn't sound very sciencey.

 

[AV1611VET]

Me too. Listening to the dialogue, I hear "God opens the sea with a blast from his nostrils".

That doesn't sound very sciencey.

That's because it was a miracle.

 

[Davian]

That's because it was a miracle.

Magic nostrils. Got it.

It's good to see that you can laugh at yourself.

 

[Haasrecht]

It seems to me that the much more important question is whether or not the Bible needs to agree with science. I see no reason why it should have to.

 

[AV1611VET]

It seems to me that the much more important question is whether or not the Bible needs to agree with science. I see no reason why it should have to.

Where science disagrees with the Bible, science can take a hike.

 

[dad]

So far, every time we check the past, things worked just as they do now.

You NEVER checked the past, you checked in with present state ideas and tried to hammer the past into submission.

Some do. For some, as you might have noticed here, science is a kind of magic.

Black magic.