Where does "Yeshua" come from?

[Gregory Wilson]

Hello folks,

If we don't have any Hebrew new testament manuscripts, and Jesus' name is never mentioned in the Old Testament Hebrew manuscripts, then where does Yeshua come from in the first place? Where do we get it from, and how do we know it is Jesus' original Hebrew name? Thanks,

Greg

 

[Winken]

Hello folks,

If we don't have any Hebrew new testament manuscripts, and Jesus' name is never mentioned in the Old Testament Hebrew manuscripts, then where does Yeshua come from in the first place? Where do we get it from, and how do we know it is Jesus' original Hebrew name? Thanks,

Greg

Since Yeshua is spelled "Jeshua" and not "Jesus" in most English versions of the Old Testament (for example in Ezra 2:2 and 2 Chronicles 31:15), one easily gets the impression that the name is never mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures. Yet 'Yeshua' appears there twenty-nine times.

 

[Gregory Wilson]

Hello Winken,
Even if the name Jeshua or Yeshua appear in the Old Testament, is it ever actually talking about Jesus - Jesus Christ?
I think there were other people in the Old Testament that had the name Jeshua or Yeshua. Thanks,

Greg

 

[Lulav]

Hello folks,

If we don't have any Hebrew new testament manuscripts, and Jesus' name is never mentioned in the Old Testament Hebrew manuscripts, then where does Yeshua come from in the first place? Where do we get it from, and how do we know it is Jesus' original Hebrew name? Thanks,

Greg

Hi Greg, good to see you again, hope the move goes smoothly and the weather out there isn't bad.

There is something interesting, a Jewish man did a study on the Torah and found that 'Yeshua' is all over it!

 

[Lulav]

The name Jesus comes from the Hebrew Yeshua which means Salvation.

We read of the giving of this name here.

Matthew 1:21

. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus,
for he will save his people from their sins.” ...

There are many instances of this saving or God saving, or Gods salvation in the OT.

The Jewish man I was talking about that wrote that book called 'Yeshua is my name' is Yacov Rambsel.

He died recently but not before making this discovery and writing about it.

You can read about his book here---

And get it here ( I have a copy)

 

[Lulav]

Hello Winken,
Even if the name Jeshua or Yeshua appear in the Old Testament, is it ever actually talking about Jesus - Jesus Christ?
I think there were other people in the Old Testament that had the name Jeshua or Yeshua. Thanks,

Greg

Yes, Joshua comes close but is not quite the same.

 

[Lulav]

Yeshua : The Name of Jesus Revealed in the Old Testament


In the "Suffering Servant" passage of Isaiah 53 where we read:

"He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed"

---Yacov Rambsel found: Every 12th Letter in Hebrew spells "JESUS IS MY NAME"
http://www.amazon.com/Yeshua-Name-J...C_UL160_SR95,160_&refRID=0KSGJ7G352D3KB56MMDZ

 

[AbbaLove]

Hello folks,

If we don't have any Hebrew new testament manuscripts, and Jesus' name is never mentioned in the Old Testament Hebrew manuscripts, then where does Yeshua come from in the first place? Where do we get it from, and how do we know it is Jesus' original Hebrew name?

Apologize for any misunderstanding, but one can learn alot and then some just by googling​

Jesus Christ in the Ancient Aramaic language is: Eashoa' M'sheekha

In the Ancient Aramaic His name is written as shown above

Eashoa' means, "the Life-Giver." Msheekha means, "the Anointed One." Eashoa' Msheekha: "The Anointed Life-Giver."

Yeshua, Yehoshua, Yahshua, Yahawashi and Yeshu(Talmud) or to be safe spell His name Y'shua
God Saves and Salvation is the Hebrew equivalent although Aramaic was the common tongue of His day​

There is much controversy about what is the preferred/correct spelling of Messiah's name with much speculation and conjecture being taught as fact. Even how to correctly pronounce His name with some stressing one syllable over another (YAHshua). And whether with more of a soft "a" sound or more of a hard "e" sound. There are those that think there is only one correct way to pronounce His name. The following Youtube gives you an idea of just how religiously adamant one can be ...

(listen to a few minutes to get an idea of just how ridgid one can be in their exacting lexicon of orthodoxy)
... not my thing ...
​

 

[Winken]

Hello Winken,
Even if the name Jeshua or Yeshua appear in the Old Testament, is it ever actually talking about Jesus - Jesus Christ?
I think there were other people in the Old Testament that had the name Jeshua or Yeshua. Thanks,

Greg

Yes, it is talking about Jesus.

 

[SteveCaruso]

Apologize for any misunderstanding, but one can learn alot and then some just by googling
Jesus Christ in the Ancient Aramaic language is: Eashoa' M'sheekha

In the Ancient Aramaic His name is written as shown above

Eashoa' means, "the Life-Giver." Msheekha means, "the Anointed One." Eashoa' Msheekha: "The Anointed Life-Giver."

Yeshua, Yehoshua, Yahshua, Yahawashi and Yeshu(Talmud) or to be safe spell His name Y'shua
God Saves and Salvation is the Hebrew equivalent although Aramaic was the common tongue of His day​

Just for the record Aramaic-wise: "Eashoa' M'sheekha" is a late (6th century at the earliest) pronunciation of Jesus' name in Classical Syriac Aramaic. The image you linked to wasn't even an alphabet that would have been used by Jesus or his disciples during his time on earth -- they used the same alphabet as contemporary Hebrew.

In his own dialect (early Galilean) it was closer to /yəšua‘/ -- usually transliterated as "Yeshua" -- and it simply means "he saves," not "life-giver."

So, just to be clear, the source you Googled isn't a very reliable one.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Hello Winken,
Even if the name Jeshua or Yeshua appear in the Old Testament, is it ever actually talking about Jesus - Jesus Christ?
I think there were other people in the Old Testament that had the name Jeshua or Yeshua. Thanks,

Greg

Yeshua the Messiah is not referred to as Yeshua prior to the gospels. But as has been pointed out, the name Yeshua is used in the OT.

Iesous in the Greek NT equates to Yeshua, just as Iohannes equates to Yochanan.
Yeshua, or a close variant, is used in the Aramaic NT.

 

[yonah_mishael]

Apologize for any misunderstanding, but one can learn alot and then some just by googling​

Jesus Christ in the Ancient Aramaic language is: Eashoa' M'sheekha

In the Ancient Aramaic His name is written as shown above

Eashoa' means, "the Life-Giver." Msheekha means, "the Anointed One." Eashoa' Msheekha: "The Anointed Life-Giver."

Yeshua, Yehoshua, Yahshua, Yahawashi and Yeshu(Talmud) or to be safe spell His name Y'shua
God Saves and Salvation is the Hebrew equivalent although Aramaic was the common tongue of His day​

There is much controversy about what is the preferred/correct spelling of Messiah's name with much speculation and conjecture being taught as fact. Even how to correctly pronounce His name with some stressing one syllable over another (YAHshua). And whether with more of a soft "a" sound or more of a hard "e" sound. There are those that think there is only one correct way to pronounce His name. The following Youtube gives you an idea of just how religiously adamant one can be ...

(listen to a few minutes to get an idea of just how ridgid one can be in their exacting lexicon of orthodoxy)
... not my thing ...
​

Just saying... not a good video to learn from. Yes, it's interesting that he uses the paleo alphabet (and he writes it well), but I just have to shake my head at how he pronounces the words and the assumed theology that proceeds from that.

 

[yonah_mishael]

So, just to be clear, the source you Googled isn't a very reliable one.

I think I need to learn from you. You said that so politely.

 

[Norbert L]

The name Jesus comes from the Hebrew Yeshua which means Salvation.

We read of the giving of this name here.

Matthew 1:21

. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus,
for he will save his people from their sins.” ...

There are many instances of this saving or God saving, or Gods salvation in the OT.

The Jewish man I was talking about that wrote that book called 'Yeshua is my name' is Yacov Rambsel.

He died recently but not before making this discovery and writing about it.

You can read about his book here---

And get it here ( I have a copy)

It also does fit with a statement of purpose Yeshua gives in Luke 19:10 and Matthew 18:11

 

[AbbaLove]

Just for the record Aramaic-wise: "Eashoa' M'sheekha" is a late (6th century at the earliest) pronunciation of Jesus' name in Classical Syriac Aramaic. The image you linked to wasn't even an alphabet that would have been used by Jesus or his disciples during his time on earth -- they used the same alphabet as contemporary Hebrew.

So, just to be clear, the source you Googled isn't a very reliable one.

Thanks for your "polite" reply. Was expecting/hoping someone would provide (e.g. youtube and aramaic) a critique. When i said "one can learn a lot and then some just by googling" it was meant as much as a fact as it was tongue & cheek(then some). Always worthwhile to get input from other sources that leads to what one concludes is the best answer. Thanks Again!

"In his own dialect (early Galilean) it was closer to /yəšua‘/ -- usually transliterated as "Yeshua" -- and it simply means "he[God] saves," not "life-giver." " (by SteveCaruso)​

A more recent controversy today seems to be among those that prefer Yahshua to Yeshua. Their rationale seems to be that pronouncing YAHshua with more emphasis on YAH is more representative of "GOD Saves" or "GOD's Salvation." Does any one know if this translation(Yahshua) is a more recent innovation associated with the Hebrew Roots Movement?

 

[yonah_mishael]

A more recent controversy today seems to be among those that prefer Yahshua to Yeshua. Their rationale seems to be that pronouncing YAHshua with more emphasis on YAH is more representative of "GOD Saves" or "GOD's Salvation." Does any one know if this translation(Yahshua) is a more recent innovation associated with the Hebrew Roots Movement?

The problem is that this is synthetic and incompatible with the Hebrew language.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Yahawahshi is almost identical to something I'd make up to satirize the silly modern pronounciations of the name of the Messiah.

It appears this guy has no understanding of the 'ayin sound.

Yahshua (also) is not a Biblical word.

 

[SteveCaruso]

I think I need to learn from you. You said that so politely.

Thanks for your "polite" reply.

I am glad that my good faith intentions were received in good faith.

A more recent controversy today seems to be among those that prefer Yahshua to Yeshua. Their rationale seems to be that pronouncing YAHshua with more emphasis on YAH is more representative of "GOD Saves" or "GOD's Salvation." Does any one know if this translation(Yahshua) is a more recent innovation associated with the Hebrew Roots Movement?

Aye "Yahshua" a very recent innovation, specifically associated with a small portion of the Sacred Name / Hebrew Roots Movement. Even the use of the phonetic "Yeshua" as opposed to "Jesus" in literature is more recent in the grand scheme of the English language (~200 years), but "Yahshua"/"Yashua" is only about 10-15 years old -- certainly a neologism. (Google Ngram Viewer has a good graph that illustrates this.)

In Aramaic, though, the theophoric at the beginning of a name is only /ya/ when it's at the end of a name – at the beginning it's /yə-/ or /ye-/. (Like how it's /yeho-/ at the beginning and /-yahu/ at the end in Hebrew.)

 

[yonah_mishael]

Yahawahshi is almost identical to something I'd make up to satirize the silly modern pronounciations of the name of the Messiah.

It is appears this guy has no understanding of the 'ayin sound.

Yahshua (also) is not a Biblical word.

It's not a modern Hebrew word either. It's simple something that they've made up.

 

[yonah_mishael]

I am glad that my good faith intentions were received in good faith.



Aye "Yahshua" a very recent innovation, specifically associated with a small portion of the Sacred Name / Hebrew Roots Movement. Even the use of the phonetic "Yeshua" as opposed to "Jesus" in literature is more recent in the grand scheme of the English language (~200 years), but "Yahshua"/"Yashua" is only about 10-15 years old -- certainly a neologism. (Google Ngram Viewer has a good graph that illustrates this.)

In Aramaic, though, the theophoric at the beginning of a name is only /ya/ when it's at the end of a name – at the beginning it's /yə-/ or /ye-/. (Like how it's /yeho-/ at the beginning and /-yahu/ at the end in Hebrew.)

Interesting! In Hebrew, it reduces to /yo-/ more frequently at the beginning of a name. I was wondering why /yeho-/ reduced to /ye-/ in the name Yeshua. I guess it's because it's an Aramaic form re-introduced into Hebrew.