Where does "Yeshua" come from?

[AbbaLove]

Aye "Yahshua" a very recent innovation, specifically associated with a small portion of the Sacred Name / Hebrew Roots Movement. Even the use of the phonetic "Yeshua" as opposed to "Jesus" in literature is more recent in the grand scheme of the English language (~200 years), but "Yahshua"/"Yashua" is only about 10-15 years old -- certainly a neologism. (Google Ngram Viewer has a good graph that illustrates this.)

In Aramaic, though, the theophoric at the beginning of a name is only /ya/ when it's at the end of a name – at the beginning it's /yə-/ or /ye-/. (Like how it's /yeho-/ at the beginning and /-yahu/ at the end in Hebrew.)

Interesting! In Hebrew, it reduces to /yo-/ more frequently at the beginning of a name. I was wondering why /yeho-/ reduced to /ye-/ in the name Yeshua. I guess it's because it's an Aramaic form re-introduced into Hebrew.

There are different words for God (YHVH, El, Elohim, Yahweh, Yah, Adonai, Yehovah). The Messiah is referred to as: Shoot of Jesse, Branch of David, Son of the Most High, and Immanuel meaning "God with us" (Matthew 1:23). Joshua is a shortened version of Yehoshu'a meaning "Yahweh is salvation."

Is it a simple fact that somewhere along the line "Ye-shua" replaced Yeh-o-shua as if removing "ho" from Ye-__shua still means "God is salvation." In your opinion is Yeh-o-shu'a a more accurate/correct name for "God saves" or "God is salvation" than is Ye-shua? From a scholarly Hebrew language interpretation does "Ye-shua" possibly have an entirely different meaning than "God saves" ?

 

[yonah_mishael]

There are different words for God (YHVH, El, Elohim, Yahweh, Yah, Adonai, Yehovah). The Messiah is referred to as: Shoot of Jesse, Branch of David, Son of the Most High, and Immanuel meaning "God with us" (Matthew 1:23). Joshua is a shortened version of Yehoshu'a meaning "Yahweh is salvation."

Is it a simple fact that somewhere along the line "Ye-shua" replaced Yeh-o-shua as if removing "ho" from Ye-__shua still means "God is salvation." In your opinion is Yeh-o-shu'a a more accurate/correct name for "God saves" or "God is salvation" than is Ye-shua? From a scholarly Hebrew language interpretation does "Ye-shua" possibly have an entirely different meaning than "God saves" ?

It's a pet peeve of mine when someone who doesn't know Hebrew wants to tell me what Hebrew words mean. I just don't like it.

 

[SteveCaruso]

Is it a simple fact that somewhere along the line "Ye-shua" replaced Yeh-o-shua as if removing "ho" from Ye-__shua still means "God is salvation." In your opinion is Yeh-o-shu'a a more accurate/correct name for "God saves" or "God is salvation" than is Ye-shua? From a scholarly Hebrew language interpretation does "Ye-shua" possibly have an entirely different meaning than "God saves" ?

It's not really a matter of which one is "more correct." They're both the same name, but in different, closely-related languages. However, as far as we can tell from the Biblical account, the Aramaic ("Yeshua") form was adopted among the Jews since the Exile to Babylon -- when they adopted Aramaic as their spoken language -- and was used predominantly (but not exclusively) over the Hebrew form ("Yehoshua").

The only difference in meaning is how one interprets the prefix. In Hebrew, it's a theophoric (making it "The LORD saves/saved"). In Aramaic, it could either be interpreted as a theophoric (making it the same as the Hebrew) or an imperfect verbal prefix (making it, "he will save"). It's this latter interpretation that seems to have been what was understood among early Aramaic-speaking Christians because we see the following play on words in Matthew 1:21:

"She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus (i.e. /Yəšua‘/), for He will save (i.e. /yəšua‘/) His people from their sins."

A simple, surface-level pun quite lost in the Greek.

 

[yonah_mishael]

"She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus (i.e. /Yəšua‘/), for He will save (i.e. /yəšua‘/) His people from their sins."​

A simple, surface-level pun quite lost in the Greek.

Is that how it reads in Aramaic? Is yəšua‘ (I assume יְשׁוּעַ) a verb form? In Hebrew, it's יוֹשִׁיעַ yôšîaʿ. The personal name actually has a full vowel (tsere) in the first syllable in Hebrew (יֵשׁוּעַ Yēšûaʿ).

הִיא יוֹלֶדֶת בֵּן וְאַתָּה תִּקְרָא שְׁמוֹ יֵשׁוּעַ כִּי הוּא יוֹשִׁיעַ אֶת עַמּוֹ מֵחַטֹּאתֵיהֶם​

 

[Hoshiyya]

It's not a modern Hebrew word either. It's simple something that they've made up.

I was referring to the modern pronounciations associated with the "sacred name" movement

 

[AbbaLove]

It's not really a matter of which one is "more correct." They're both the same name, but in different, closely-related languages. However, as far as we can tell from the Biblical account, the Aramaic ("Yeshua") form was adopted among the Jews since the Exile to Babylon -- when they adopted Aramaic as their spoken language -- and was used predominantly (but not exclusively) over the Hebrew form ("Yehoshua").

Really appreciate all of your replies ... VERY HElPFUL

 

[Lulav]

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THANK YOU!​

 

[Hoshiyya]

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THERE IS NO HAT THOUGH

I DON'T SEE A HAT

Unless those creepy birdcages count as hats ?

 

[AbbaLove]

In the future when someone asks ... "Where does 'Yeshua' come from?" or "Jesus or Yeshua?" or a similar titled thread just direct them to a couple links with a brief excerpt attached. However, some of us would be deprived of a certain satisfaction to elaborate (like me and others) ...
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/3442.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_(name)

Yeshua ~ (ישוע, with vowel pointing יֵשׁוּעַ – yēšūă‘ in Hebrew) was a common alternative form of the name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ ("Yehoshuah" – Joshua) in later books of the Hebrew Bible and among Jews of the Second Temple period. Meaning "salvation" in Hebrew,

The Hebrew spelling Yeshua (ישוע) appears in some later books of the Hebrew Bible. Once for Joshua the son of Nun, and 28 times for Joshua the High Priest and (KJV "Jeshua") and other priests called Jeshua – although these same priests are also given the spelling Joshua in 11 further instances in the books of Haggai and Zechaeriah.

Yeshua is our High Priest
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Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Revelations 1:7-8
7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”