Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[Michael]

Then I would be the lair you accuse me to be. Not going to happen.

Here is evidence: I confess Jesus Christ is Lord.

Now, then...if you are qualified to assess my evidence, you will recognize my evidence as authentic.

I recognize it is authentic as it relates to your faith in Christ. I have seen no evidence as it relates to the age of the Earth, or a need to interpret a couple of paragraphs literally to the exclusion of every other resource in the universe.

If you cannot authenticate it, you are not qualified to make any claims for or against.

I'm afraid even if he isn't qualified, the Pope and the majority of other Christians are qualified to question your "evidence" with respect to the age of the Earth.

 

[Loudmouth]

Then I would be the lair you accuse me to be. Not going to happen.

Here is evidence: I confess Jesus Christ is Lord.

Evidence of what?

 

[ScottA]

I just got through telling you that the Holy Spirit certainly did "testify" to me about the validity of Christ's teachings. Never once however did it suggest to me that the Earth had any particular/specific age.

Ya, but you and I are not the totality of God incarnate, strolling planet Earth, and we have need of additional information.

Aren't you trying to claim "spiritual superiority" here as it relates to physics?

That source is the presence of the Holy Spirit, but even that process gets "filtered" in a highly subjective a highly humanly fallible way.

1. Then stop speaking of it as if you have His authority.

2. Not true. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.

3. No, that is not my claim. I only claim that it is "created" (made up) and only relevant to God's purpose.

4. Not so. God is sovereign of the affairs of men.

 

[ScottA]

I recognize it is authentic as it relates to your faith in Christ. I have seen no evidence as it relates to the age of the Earth, or a need to interpret a couple of paragraphs literally to the exclusion of every other resource in the universe.



I'm afraid even if he isn't qualified, the Pope and the majority of other Christians are qualified to question your "evidence" with respect to the age of the Earth.

You have exceeded your authority.

 

[Loudmouth]

1. Then stop speaking of it as if you have His authority.

2. Not true. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.

3. No, that is not my claim. I only claim that it is "created" (made up) and only relevant to God's purpose.

4. Not so. God is sovereign of the affairs of men.

Those would all be claims, not facts or evidence.

 

[pakicetus]

There is nothing wrong or evil about trying to understand the world around us. What is wrong, is the great length that some have gone to, making themselves out to be all-knowing, when they have merely made and occupation out of studying what they do not fully understand.

I like this quote from Dara O'Briain: "Science knows it doesn't know everything; otherwise, it'd stop."

 

[ScottA]

Evidence of what?

Exactly.

If I thought you were serious or sincere, I would open things up to discussion. But you and I have been here before, so you will have to do better than that.

 

[ScottA]

Those would all be claims, not facts or evidence.

You are not qualified to say.

 

[Loudmouth]

Exactly.

If I thought you were serious or sincere, I would open things up to discussion. But you and I have been here before, so you will have to do better than that.

I asked you what it was evidence for. How is that not being serious or sincere?

Why can't you discuss what it is evidence for?

 

[Loudmouth]

You are not qualified to say.

Yes, I am. How am I not qualified to determine if something is a verifiable fact?

 

[Reasoning]

You are not qualified to say.

The point of good evidence and research is that anyone would be able to reproduce the results and test the evidence. Otherwise all we have left are arguments of authority.

 

[Michael]

You are not qualified to say.

But the majority of Christians are qualified, and they also reject your claims.

 

[ScottA]

It might be authentic for you, but it has no scientific meaning. It can not be tested, or disproved, or falsified. Therefore, it is the equivalent of no evidence.

Only in your closed court. Which, of course, is the problem here...you all are so close-minded, you can't even imagine there is anything more.

 

[AV1611VET]

The point of good evidence and research is that anyone would be able to reproduce the results and test the evidence.

Will you agree that there is no evidence for a literal Genesis 1 creation?

I hope so.

And if you do agree, will you also agree that there is no evidence because of the types of creation Genesis 1 portrays?

That is, creatio ex nihilo & creatio ex materia, which didn't generate any evidence?

 

[ScottA]

The point of good evidence and research is that anyone would be able to reproduce the results and test the evidence. Otherwise all we have left are arguments of authority.

I am not unqualified to test the claims of science, and I am willing, even impressed. But that cannot be said of science, nor of many here (obviously).

 

[Loudmouth]

Only in your closed court. Which, of course, is the problem here...you all are so close-minded, you can't even imagine there is anything more.

Are you saying that it only exists in your imagination?

 

[ScottA]

But the majority of Christians are qualified, and they also reject your claims.

And so it has been foretold. What were you expecting?

 

[Loudmouth]

And so it has been foretold. What were you expecting?

It was foretold that you would claim to have evidence, and then never present it?

 

[Reasoning]

Only in your closed court. Which, of course, is the problem here...you all are so close-minded, you can't even imagine there is anything more.

Not close minded at all, but claims need to be verifiable if they aught to have any meaning. Otherwise we will just all shout something that can never be checked.

I am not unqualified to test the claims of science, and I am willing, even impressed. But that cannot be said of science, nor of many here (obviously).

It is very impressive. So then you see conclusions, you can look up what that conclusion is based on, retest the experiment and see if you get the same results. This is the very basis of science.

 

[ScottA]

Are you saying that it only exists in your imagination?

And that is why no one should ever take you serious.