Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[dad]

"If you CAN'T explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough".

Albert Einstein

If you explain it and pretend to understand it, when you are shown wrong you can say science changes.

So in one instance, "incest" explains how Cain and Seth found wives,

YES IT WAS NORMAL IN THE DIFFERENT STATE PAST. iT IS SICKO NOW.

and "getting falling down naked drunk" is o.k...

Noah did get drunk, whoopee do

and yet the olive twig in the dove's beak inexplicably appears there as a "miracle of God".

The poster that dreamed that one up is out to lunch. There is no indication that the dove simply did not find a tree.

 

[Celticroots]

Science is man discovering what God has already established. Gods laws are the laws of nature. People van call it what they want. The world calls Gods justice "Karma". They say that its your conscience eating you when in fact it is God convicting you of sin. God created the scientific thought process. Everything you see was naturally created by God; but the way he created was with a design and a way that nature could sustain itself.

Exactly. It's not rocket science. And to really really really KNOW Him, we have to reject all empirical evidence that shows how the world works? We have to accept Christ as Savior. And it's invalidating to claim to know that someone really knows God or not. I know God. Really, really. How do I know? Because I have accepted Christ as my Savior AND I make it a point to have a relationship with Him. He reciprocates, although not always in a way we understand. Read the Bible, pray etc. And I've seen His work in my life. If it were not for His intervention, I wouldn't be alive to type this at all.

 

[Celticroots]

The earth and the entire universe (the world) are under the domain of Satan. To look to the world for answers (as science does), is to look to Satan, who is a lair.

On the contrary, the truth, can only be found in God.

Who you gonna believe?

God. And what He uses through science to show us about the world.

 

[Celticroots]

Fair enough.

My position is not to take anything away from the physics, but to give credit where it is [actually] due. Studying the physics of God's creation to determine His purpose, is like examining a DVD and player to understand the purpose of a movie. But make no mistake, the physics are not going to show up in the credits at the end of the movie. Medicine makes the same mistake when they treat the symptom rather than the cause.

The heart and soul of this topic, is not scientific.

The "cause" is usually blamed on the person not having enough faith. Rubbish. Oh yeah, someone caught the flu because they didn't have faith in God or got cancer because of lack of faith. Or demons. We aren't in the middle ages anymore. Or, as we've figured out, in some cases the cause is a virus or an imbalance of brain chemicals. But I don't expect those who reject science to know that.

The definition of faith gets twisted. To me, faith means to believe that God is with us even in the difficult times.

 

[Celticroots]

Oh yeah. Because the definition of believing is totally rejecting reality. Guess people who do believe that Jesus was the Christ, that He took the payment for their sins, and rose again, don't count as believing. Funny. As I could have sworn Jesus said just that.

 

[Celticroots]

You keep ignoring the fact that we are debating *when*, not *if*, and the when part is an "interpretation".



Being "saved" has nothing to do with believing in an Earth that is less than 10,000 years old as evidenced by the fact that most Christians reject that idea entirely.



You mean besides those ice core samples I cited earlier that show 800,000 years worth of seasonal snowfall? Evidence it was different?



It's not like you have any evidence to the contrary however. Big zero for you too.



Been there, done that. You won't find any red letter parts of the Bible claiming that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. Jesus didn't say anything like that, and your literal interpretation of Genesis flies directly in the face of Christ's own use of metaphor during his lifetime and his teachings.

As have I. And God's response? That I don't have to be dumbed down and deny reality for Him to accept me.



I have zero evidence to support the idea that the laws of physics ever changed, past present or future. Whatever laws apply now most likely applied since the universe began.



I know they apply to "materials" like atoms and photons.



The only "gong" is the fact that your beliefs are the minority position even within "Christianity", and they are at odds with reality and physics. The Pope has no such problems yet he also loves and reveres Jesus.

 

[Cimorene]

Does science need to agree with the Bible? To me it doesn't because they have different purposes.

 

[Celticroots]

Wrong, the majority of christians agree with evolution and an old earth. Sorry.

^ A Christian who accepts exactly this here.

 

[Celticroots]

Saying it does not make something true. Something all religious people could think about. Evidence and observation Mr Jester.

Guess I am the only Christian who thinks evidence and observation isn't the evil tool of Satan.

 

[Celticroots]

Even if God works through Evolution, DNA is still the "Language of God". The Bible tells us that Jesus is the Word of God. All things that are were created through Him. He is the Alpha and the Omega. The beginning and the end. We may not understand all there is to know. WE continue to learn and grow and we increase in wisdom and knowledge.

Yet it took 20 pages of argument to get to this simple answer. Wow.

 

[Cimorene]

God. And what He uses through science to show us about the world.

Exactly.

 

[durangodawood]

YES IT WAS NORMAL IN THE DIFFERENT STATE PAST. iT IS SICKO NOW.

Good ol fashioned moral relativism.
I mean, these were people back then, and not some sort of proto-human, right?

 

[Celticroots]

I love how YEC complain that there are no transitional fossils, but when you show them the various transitional fossils we've found thus far, they simply ignore them, or handwave at them.

Agreed. Because reality is just way too scary.

 

[ScottA]

God. And what He uses through science to show us about the world.

The "cause" is usually blamed on the person not having enough faith. Rubbish. Oh yeah, someone caught the flu because they didn't have faith in God or got cancer because of lack of faith. Or demons. We aren't in the middle ages anymore. Or, as we've figured out, in some cases the cause is a virus or an imbalance of brain chemicals. But I don't expect those who reject science to know that.

The definition of faith gets twisted. To me, faith means to believe that God is with us even in the difficult times.

Rendering unto science is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you believe the world is more than a temporary "creation" that is passing away, then that is the more you will inherit. On the contrary, if you believe that the more that God has promised, is not of this world, then that is the more you will inherit.

You cannot serve two masters.

 

[dad]

Good ol fashioned moral relativism.
I mean, these were people back then, and not some sort of proto-human, right?

People who lived 1000 years, and under different laws perhaps. Hard to imagine that in the present world I know. But even good and evil cannot be based just n the present physics and DNA etc.

 

[Celticroots]

Rendering unto science is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you believe the world is more than a temporary "creation" that is passing away, then that is the more you will inherit. On the contrary, if you believe that the more that God has promised, is not of this world, then that is the more you will inherit.

You cannot serve two masters.

Rather more like recognizing that life isn't always fair. And I do believe in more that God has promised, although it's hard to remember that when life is hard. You have no right to say that I don't as you don't even know me. I think you missed the point of the post. One doesn't develop faith without going through trials.

Rendering unto science? Rendering unto reality is more like it. And I will render to reality through science, which God uses to teach us about this world. When one chooses to believe what science has blatantly shown us as well as the advancements it's made, I don't believe that is serving two masters. That's ridiculous.

Been there done that. I don't see a point in ignoring empirical evidence and data because it's not like that will make it go away. I am fine with my beliefs thanks. You aren't. But that's not my issue.

How people can so obstinately cling to beliefs (that mental illness is caused by demons and other nonsense) - that have been proven to have a chemical, natural cause in this day and age baffles me. I prefer to reason, giving thanks to the brain God gave me. Hello 21st century.

 

[bhsmte]

Rendering unto science is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you believe the world is more than a temporary "creation" that is passing away, then that is the more you will inherit. On the contrary, if you believe that the more that God has promised, is not of this world, then that is the more you will inherit.

You cannot serve two masters.

How about if someone serves no master?

 

[ScottA]

Rather more like recognizing that life isn't always fair. And I do believe in more that God has promised, although it's hard to remember that when life is hard. You have no right to say that I don't as you don't even know me. I think you missed the point of the post. One doesn't develop faith without going through trials.

Rendering unto science? Rendering unto reality is more like it. And I will render to reality through science, which God uses to teach us about this world. When one chooses to believe what science has blatantly shown us as well as the advancements it's made, I don't believe that is serving two masters. That's ridiculous.

Been there done that. I don't see a point in ignoring empirical evidence and data because it's not like that will make it go away. I am fine with my beliefs thanks. You aren't. But that's not my issue.

How people can so obstinately cling to beliefs (that mental illness is caused by demons and other nonsense) - that have been proven to have a chemical, natural cause in this day and age baffles me. I prefer to reason, giving thanks to the brain God gave me. Hello 21st century.

Which is real, the Creator, or those things created that are passing away?

Nonetheless, science tells you God is a liar. Believe what you will.

 

[ScottA]

How about if someone serves no master?

Then he is kidding himself.

 

[The Cadet]

Nonetheless, science tells you God is a liar.

Do you know what "science" is?