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Does Science Agree With the Bible?

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The reason for these flood stories is not difficult to understand. The Bible, we learn that Noah’s descendants stayed together for approximately 100 years, until God confused their languages at Babel (Genesis 11:1–9). As these people moved away from Babel, their descendants formed nations based primarily on the languages they shared in common. Through those languages, the story of the Flood was shared, until it became embedded in their cultural history. As you are probably not aware out of idiocy oral traditions vary over the centuries in some cultures without written forms of literature, hence legends.

However, Hawaiians have a flood story that tells of a time when, long after the death of the first man, the world became a wicked, terrible place. Only one good man was left, and his name was Nu-u. He made a great canoe with a house on it and filled it with animals. In this story, the waters came up over all the earth and killed all the people; only Nu-u and his family were saved. Interesting to say the least how similar it is to the Biblical account.

Another flood story is from China. It records that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters escaped a great flood and were the only people alive on earth. After the great flood, they repopulated the world.
As the story of the Flood was verbally passed from one generation to the next, some aspects would have been lost or altered. And this is what has happened, as we can see from the chart. However, as seen in the given examples, each story shares remarkable similarities to the account of Noah in the Bible. This is true even in some of the details, such as the name Nu-u in the Hawaiian flood story. “Nu-u” is very similar to “Noah.”

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I have a question for you, if one of your ancestors were from a fish and over millions of years went through a slow process of evolving into you, why are there millions of transitional fossils missing to commandeer this theory of an idiot fish into an idiot squirrel into an idiot ape into an idiot you?

Yes, many cultures have flood stories because there have been many floods such as the recent Tsunami in Japan which, had it happened long ago, would have blamed on the Gods. Today we know it's was from an underwater earthquake.

Evolution has been characterized by "sudden" mutations. The chances of a superior primate pair would be found next to their inferior parents is zilch.

The Hebrew redactors in Babylon used a locally known flood legend in their genealogical account in the Bible. Being unable to trace their bloodlines back to what they presumed were the first couple, Adam and Eve, they decided to drown the whole world in it's own wickedness to fill the gap. It was a story written by Hebrew priest for the scattered and newly enslaved Israelites. They made NO claim of writing the Word of God.

Speaking of transitional fossils, where are the stories or fossils from Noah's kids having Chinese babies?
 
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Hey SkyWriting, what do you want to bet that if someone kneecapped you with a baseball bat and then tried to use this argument in court, you'd be disappointed if your lawyer accepted it as valid and dropped the case?

Let's say you walked into court with the bat in a hip holster
where you always carry it. Without witnesses, I'd have no case.
 
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I have a question for you, if one of your ancestors were from a fish and over millions of years went through a slow process of evolving into you, why are there millions of transitional fossils missing to commandeer this theory of an idiot fish into an idiot squirrel into an idiot ape into an idiot you?

Do you speak to people in that manner in real life or just on the internet?

In answer to your question, they're buried under the ground.
 
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By the times of the Chronicler, the Jews no longer believed God was responsible for the numbering of Israel.
Good for the Jews.

Israel is currently an atheist nation overall.

I happen to believe God is responsible for the numbering of Israel.

So where does that leave your theory?
 
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If there was a world wide flood that killed everyone and every culture except and ancestor of the so called Israelites, how are there "legends found all over the world of a global flood in nearly every culture"???????
Don't forget Ham & Japheth as well.

The Sixteen Grandsons of Noah
Colter said:
If they somehow remember a flood that killed all of their ancestors, why can't they recall being related to Noah?????
These "legends found all over the world" contradict what Noah wrote.

Some can't get the names right; some can't even get the number of people on the Ark right; some can't even get the vessel right, let alone its dimensions.

That means these "legends found all over the world" have the same author: Satan.
 
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However, Hawaiians have a flood story that tells of a time when, long after the death of the first man, the world became a wicked, terrible place. Only one good man was left, and his name was Nu-u. He made a great canoe with a house on it and filled it with animals. In this story, the waters came up over all the earth and killed all the people; only Nu-u and his family were saved. Interesting to say the least how similar it is to the Biblical account.
Diabolical.
 
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Yes, many cultures have flood stories because there have been many floods such as the recent Tsunami in Japan ...
Wouldn't that be like the Chamorro on Guam, being hit by a tsunami, claiming the whole earth was inundated?

Or people living in New Orleans claiming all of earth was flooded by Hurricane Katrina?
 
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I am so glad that the US legal system doesn't run according to the fantasy logic of young earth creationists.
Then the AntiChrist Lovers Union would have to come up with a new agenda, wouldn't they?
 
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Noah's Ark ... docked in the mountains of Ararat, after a worldwide catastrophe.

RMS Titanic ... finally found at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, after hitting a giant Popsicle.
 
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Good for the Jews.

Israel is currently an atheist nation overall.

I happen to believe God is responsible for the numbering of Israel.

So where does that leave your theory?

1) It leaves us with the fact that the Bible books attribute the numbering of Israel to God in one place and Satan in another.

2) It leaves you with the belief that God is both good and evil and could only be feared rather than loved and trusted in much the same way a child in a dysfunctional family fears the Father.
 
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Noah's Ark ... docked in the mountains of Ararat, after a worldwide catastrophe.

RMS Titanic ... finally found at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, after hitting a giant Popsicle.
The only thing that drowned in the Canaanite/Israelite, Zionist fiction, was common sense!
 
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1) It leaves us with the fact that the Bible books attribute the numbering of Israel to God in one place and Satan in another.
I already addressed that.

Did you see it?
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2) It leaves you with the belief that God is both good and evil and could only be feared rather than loved and trusted in much the same way a child in a dysfunctional family fears the Father.
You fear God your way, and I'll fear God mine.
 
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Whatever you meant by that ...
It means the Israelites never killed off the Canaanites, they intermarried with them. When the Hebrew editors converted secular history into a miraculous fiction, they failed to eliminate the simple, mater of fact histories in the old records.
 
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Good for the Jews.

Israel is currently an atheist nation overall.

I happen to believe God is responsible for the numbering of Israel.

So where does that leave your theory?
God is preparing 144,000 people. 12,000 from each tribe. They will be the witness for God when the Church age comes to an end and the true Church is no longer here. Although I suppose the death, apostate, harlot church will still be around.
 
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Its only hypocritical if I meant the guys on this forum were doing that. I wasn't clear in my distinction. I was speaking of my day to day life not online. And if it wasn't pushed on my life I wouldn't be hear to learn more of how religious people think. So, in life we'd prefer you don't share. Here I'm in your house so would never suggest that is fair.
Under the circumstances of what you have experienced in your own life, you may have preferred that we did not share with you...but it is not reasonable or logical, that anyone should come into such wealth and not have it effect their interaction with others.
 
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