Why the Trinity is a False Doctrine

[civilwarbuff]

I am merely quoting scripture concerning the ways of God.

Which ways....let's be specific so we can address them one by one...OK?

 

[cgaviria]

This is present tense, not past. So, where do you get this from? I agree that He has never broken His word and never will but your statement implies otherwise....

Read my words..... I am telling you that God does not break his word. So take that other statement, to mean this very thing as well. Will you not? Or will you put words in my own mouth that I did not speak? You are an extremely difficult person to reason with, and slow to understanding.

 

[Llewelyn Stevenson]

He makes his abode in by giving his holy spirit into us. But even holy spirit is not the Father himself, but is rather, sent by the Father to inhabit our bodies, and thus the Father spiritually resides in us.

I am not putting limits on God, I am merely quoting scripture concerning the ways of God. So it is in fact not my words, but the scriptures. There is a scripture that says even the heaven of the heavens cannot contain God, which I have quoted several times to you people. Will you not accept this scripture on the basis of your own understanding?

And yet he dwells there.

 

[cgaviria]

Which ways....let's be specific so we can address them one by one...OK?

The first way is that he cannot inhabit his own creation, which is what that scripture I quoted is saying. This is the topic at hand we are now discussing, which you people cannot accept. Let me ask you something in return, seeing this scripture I quoted, can the Father inhabit his own creation, yes or no?

 

[civilwarbuff]

The first way is that he cannot inhabit his own creation, which is what that scripture I quoted is saying. This is the topic at hand we are now discussing, which you people cannot accept

Lot's of stuff going on here just give me the post # so I am on track.

Let me ask you something in return, seeing this scripture I quoted, can the Father inhabit his own creation, yes or no?

Yes He can...

 

[cgaviria]

And yet he dwells there.

The Father cannot inhabit his own creation as is evidenced in that other scripture, yet in this verse, Jesus has said,

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. (John 1:18 [NIV])

So the Father may have a form that can be seen, if he even has a form as Jesus could be speaking figuratively, is a mystery. I do not know, but based on the other scripture, he is not a being that can be contained in his own creation.

 

[cgaviria]

Lot's of stuff going on here just give me the post # so I am on track.

Yes He can...

So then explain the verse saying, even the heaven of the heaven cannot contain you, much less a temple I have built?

 

[civilwarbuff]

So what form the Father has to be seen, if he even has a form as Jesus could be speaking figuratively, is a mystery. I do not know, but based on the other scripture, he is not a being that can be contained in his own creation.

And everything you said there made no sense at all.....

 

[civilwarbuff]

So then explain the verse saying, even the heaven of the heaven cannot contain you, much less a temple I have built?

I don't see a verse....just your words.....

 

[cgaviria]

I don't see a verse....just your words.....

How many times must I quote this scripture?

"But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! (1 Kings 8:27 [NIV])

These are not my own words, why can you not get it through your head?

 

[Llewelyn Stevenson]

The first way is that he cannot inhabit his own creation, which is what that scripture I quoted is saying. This is the topic at hand we are now discussing, which you people cannot accept. Let me ask you something in return, seeing this scripture I quoted, can the Father inhabit his own creation, yes or no?

Based on the text you used? Yes I do believe the Father can inhabit his creation.

1Ki 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

Here's why, because the question raised is rhetorical, it is a statement made in humility. Will God indeed dwell on earth? The answer is in the Revelation, Behold the tabernacle of God is with men. It tells us that both the Father and the Son will be there: The Lord and his Christ.

Consider that God's hands made his dwelling place.

Exo 15:17 Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, in the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for thee to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which thy hands have established.

Not only can God inhabit his creation, the Bible says he does.

 

[civilwarbuff]

How many times must I quote this scripture?


These are not my own words, why can you not get it through your head?

Will Messiah dwell on earth?

 

[cgaviria]

Based on the text you used? Yes I do believe the Father can inhabit his creation.

1Ki 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

Here's why, because the question raised is rhetorical, it is a statement made in humility. Will God indeed dwell on earth? The answer is in the Revelation, Behold the tabernacle of God is with men. It tells us that both the Father and the Son will be there: The Lord and his Christ.

Consider that God's hands made his dwelling place.

Exo 15:17 Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, in the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for thee to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which thy hands have established.

Not only can God inhabit his creation, the Bible says he does.

It doesn't just say, will God indeed dwell on the earth, the scripture is also saying, even the highest heaven cannot contain you. What do you suppose that means? If indeed the Father does have a form that could abide in his creation, I am willing to accept it, since to me this topic is indeed a mystery, but I do not see how he could inhabit his own creation since he cannot even inhabit the heaven. And indeed, for God to be able to have a form that can inhabit earth, would imply he is finite. How can an infinite being have a form of a body that is finite? Therefore, I am inclined to harmonize this scripture in 1 Kings, with the Revelation scripture, to mean that whatever tabernacle of God inhabiting the earth and the God dwelling on the earth in the new heaven and new earth, to mean that it will be an image and representation of the Father that will cohabit with us.

 

[cgaviria]

Will Messiah dwell on earth?

Absolutely. And he is coming again to dwell on the earth. But we are talking about the Father, not Jesus.

 

[civilwarbuff]

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[civilwarbuff]

Absolutely. And he is coming again to dwell on the earth. But we are talking about the Father, not Jesus.

Absolutely. And he is coming again to dwell on the earth. But we are talking about the Father, not Jesus.

So, what of Jesus....after his sacrifice do you just discard him?

 

[cgaviria]

So, what of Jesus....after his sacrifice do you just discard him?

What is wrong with you? We are talking about the Father.

 

[civilwarbuff]

So, what of Jesus....after his sacrifice do you just discard him?

After all, he is just a created being.....

 

[cgaviria]

After all, he is just a created being.....

How does Jesus being a created being relate to being discarded? Are not the saints created beings, and are said to live forever? You speak like an infant, not knowing what you're saying. I believe I am going to sleep shortly, reasoning with you is of no avail.

 

[civilwarbuff]

How does Jesus being a created being relate to being discarded? Are not the saints created beings, and are said to live forever? You speak like an infant, not knowing what you're saying. I believe I am going to sleep shortly, reasoning with you is of no avail.

Please sleep...we will all be better off.