Why do people believe in a Rapture?

[Fusion77]

The current Hebrew calendar is not thousands of years old.

It came into use 300-400 years after the time of Christ, in an effort to better align with the other more modern calendars.
.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

You can go to AIG if you want, Matthew Twentyfour. However, I had a lot of experience with them and I know they are not at all a reliable source of information, believe me.

I use AAA, never used AIG.

 

[iamlamad]

Go to cgsf.org click on Hebrew Roman calendar you can check any year you want. Here's this years calendar and it's a leap year 384-385 days View attachment 168430

It seems you just don't believe what John wrote:
The two witnesses will testify for 1260 days. That is like cast in vanadium steel and cannot be altered. It is God's words. How then can you POSSIBLY think God's word would be in error?

I see DAYS in that calendar: that is all that is needed...1260 of them in a row. Please notice that God DID NOT tell us that the month count would start of the first of some month! God did not tell us this would be TODAY's Hebrew calendar, or today's ANYBODY calendar.

To get to the end of the 42 month count, just multiply 42 by 30 and count the days. However, a 42 month count just possibly may not be accurate exactly to the day....but then it might.

 

[Fusion77]

It seems you just don't believe what John wrote:
The two witnesses will testify for 1260 days. That is like cast in vanadium steel and cannot be altered. It is God's words. How then can you POSSIBLY think God's word would be in error?

I see DAYS in that calendar: that is all that is needed...1260 of them in a row. Please notice that God DID NOT tell us that the month count would start of the first of some month! God did not tell us this would be TODAY's Hebrew calendar, or today's ANYBODY calendar.

To get to the end of the 42 month count, just multiply 42 by 30 and count the days. However, a 42 month count just possibly may not be accurate exactly to the day....but then it might.

The 2 witnesses will be prophesying clothed in sackcloth for 1260 days. Do you believe Daniel 12:7 and Daniel 12:11 will end at the same time?

 

[iamlamad]

Esther 9:1 was a leap year the 12th month was a leap year. It was Adar 2 but still considered the 12th month. You must understand a month could never continually have 1260 days. It would get out of sync with the solar calendar. It's not possible for a month to continually have 1260 days. The feasts would never line up with the new moons and such. There has always been a leap year. You're just thrown off by the 1260 days. It's not your fault.

Please keep in mind that God was not speaking of calendars. We are talking about COUNTING DAYS. A calendar is not even necessary for that: people can just make a slash mark on a wall when they get up every morning. Your theory of calendars is simply no argument at all. Count the first 1260 days, see the abomination. count the second 1260 days, see the 7th vial. The day of a month means nothing when counting days.

Sorry, but a leap year makes NO DIFFERENCE! The sun will set and rise just as in any other year.

It would get out of sync with the solar calendar. So what? We are counting days, not trying to fit days to a calendar.

Look, it is my guess that way back when man first started counting days in a month, before people stopped the sun, etc, God probably had it perfectly set to a 30 day month. If it won't work as it is, God may just set it back to a 30 day month.

 

[iamlamad]

Don't you understand, if a year continually had 360 days, in 5 years you'd be a month off. In 30 years winter would be summer and visa versa. When something is written in a prophecy, it's looks to the future.

I understand that when God says 1260 days we can take that to the bank.

 

[iamlamad]

At Some point they had to adjust the calendar to make it line up with time the earth to rotate around the sun 365 1/4 days. Anyways when the prophets wrote, speaking of future events, do you think they referred to a pre-flood calendar? No, prophets speak into the future as God sees the future as the present. He isn't bound by time.

Are you saying that you just don't believe in those day counts God has given us?

 

[iamlamad]

I don't agree, Bible2, that original sin is implied in the Genesis story. If anything Adam and Eve sinned upward, toward gaining more knowledge. Once you leave your protected little world (the Garden of Eden) and enter the real world, no one is innocent.

Wow! Falling "upward." I once heard that nonsense in a Mormon institute.

 

[Fusion77]

Please keep in mind that God was not speaking of calendars. We are talking about COUNTING DAYS. A calendar is not even necessary for that: people can just make a slash mark on a wall when they get up every morning. Your theory of calendars is simply no argument at all. Count the first 1260 days, see the abomination. count the second 1260 days, see the 7th vial. The day of a month means nothing when counting days.

Sorry, but a leap year makes NO DIFFERENCE! The sun will set and rise just as in any other year.

It would get out of sync with the solar calendar. So what? We are counting days, not trying to fit days to a calendar.

Look, it is my guess that way back when man first started counting days in a month, before people stopped the sun, etc, God probably had it perfectly set to a 30 day month. If it won't work as it is, God may just set it back to a 30 day month.

Are you saying that you just don't believe in those day counts God has given us?

Are you saying that you just don't believe in those day counts God has given us?

Are you saying that you just don't believe in those day counts God has given us?

The 1260 days are Exact, but are short of the 3.5 years by a little. Do you believe Daniel 12:7 and Daniel 12:11 end at the same time? Because I do.

 

[Fusion77]

I understand that when God says 1260 days we can take that to the bank.

Yes take 1260 days to the bank. Maybe you're missing my point?

 

[iamlamad]

Hebrews 11

These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.
For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland.
If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return.
But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one.
Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.​

"If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.…

Touche! Good post, Dave!

 

[iamlamad]

I have laid it out a multitude of times.

How hard is it to subtract 1335 days from the end of the 7 years, day 2520 ? To know what day on a 2520 day timeline of when the AOD will be setup ?

2520-1335 = 1185

On the other hand, how hard is it to subtract 1335-1260 = 75 days.

So an event is going to happen 30 days after the 7th vial ends the week, and another event will happen 75 days after the 7th vial. And this scenario fits all the other verses in the bible.

1185 days fits no other verses. I don't believe your theory. But thanks for showing me how you arrived at it.

 

[Fusion77]

Please keep in mind that God was not speaking of calendars. We are talking about COUNTING DAYS. A calendar is not even necessary for that: people can just make a slash mark on a wall when they get up every morning. Your theory of calendars is simply no argument at all. Count the first 1260 days, see the abomination. count the second 1260 days, see the 7th vial. The day of a month means nothing when counting days.

Sorry, but a leap year makes NO DIFFERENCE! The sun will set and rise just as in any other year.

It would get out of sync with the solar calendar. So what? We are counting days, not trying to fit days to a calendar.

Look, it is my guess that way back when man first started counting days in a month, before people stopped the sun, etc, God probably had it perfectly set to a 30 day month. If it won't work as it is, God may just set it back to a 30 day month.

So when the anti christ confirms the covenant for one week, you don't think it will be based on a calendar? Just make our own deal for 2520 days even though that wouldn't make 7 years in a solar or a lunar calendar. But, still call it seven years? I'm confused, do you believe it's 7 years or not?

 

[iamlamad]

So tell me, what happens in the 45 days after the 1290 days. Where do find that in scripture besides Daniel 12:11-12 which says blessed is he who remains.

I think you're jumping to far ahead and need to deal with the last week. The 45 days are not included in the week.

Finally a breath of fresh air! Thanks.

 

[iamlamad]

So when the anti christ confirms the covenant for one week, you don't think it will be based on a calendar? Just make our own deal for 2520 days even though that wouldn't make 7 years in a solar or a lunar calendar. But, still call it seven years? I'm confused, do you believe it's 7 years or not?

It will be 7 years with each year made of of 12 each 30 days months. This is what is written. How God will work that out I don't know. I have confidence He can do it.

 

[iamlamad]

Yes take 1260 days to the bank. Maybe you're missing my point?

So double it and you have the entire "tribulation" time.

 

[Fusion77]

It will be 7 years with each year made of of 12 each 30 days months. This is what is written. How God will work that out I don't know. I have confidence He can do it.

Where do you get 1260 days. You don't understand, the 2 witnesses won't come until after the abomination of desolation...by 25 or so days. The anti christ will confirm a covenant based on a calendar.

 

[iamlamad]

The 1260 days are Exact, but are short of the 3.5 years by a little. Do you believe Daniel 12:7 and Daniel 12:11 end at the same time? Because I do.

No, of course I do not think these all end at the same time. One will end 30 days after the other. The 1260 day count, for both the first and second half are written in stone, so to speak. They cannot be altered.

So on our calendar, how many days short of 2555 days ( 7 years on our calendar) would God's count be?

 

[Fusion77]

It will be 7 years with each year made of of 12 each 30 days months. This is what is written. How God will work that out I don't know. I have confidence He can do it.

He doesn't have to. He's already made a provision for that. And it explained how it will be from Daniel 12:11

 

[iamlamad]

He doesn't have to. He's already made a provision for that. And it explained how it will be from Daniel 12:11

In your theory, perhaps. I just don't buy your theory. I am convinced that some event will take place 30 days after the 7th vial ends the week, and another event will happen 45 days after that.

This theory makes perfect sense, because John shows us that Jesus does not come at the 7th vial, but LATER. Could it be exactly 30 days later?