Why do people believe in a Rapture?

[Fusion77]

I wish you would give some proof of this. I have believed in 1260 days for as long as I knew it was scripture. You will have to have real proof written in scripture rightly divided for me to change my mind.
Why won't a calendar allow it? Daniel and John used a DIFFERENT calendar! Their calendar had 360 days of 30 day months. This won't "fit" our calendar. It WILL fit what will happen: from the ceasing of the daily sacrifices to the 7th vial that ends the week will be exactly 1260 days. You can take that to the bank, so to speak.

Go to cgsf.org click on Hebrew Roman calendar you can check any year you want. Here's this years calendar and it's a leap year 384-385 days

 

[Fusion77]

I've always heard this too. However, the Lord has shown me this. That's why the 3.5 years will actually be longer than 1290 days in Daniel 12:11. The 2nd Adar is still considered the 12th month. So it will still be 42 months. This means even a leap year has only 12 months.

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[Fusion77]

I've always heard this too. However, the Lord has shown me this. That's why the 3.5 years will actually be longer than 1290 days in Daniel 12:11. The 2nd Adar is still considered the 12th month. So it will still be 42 months. This means even a leap year has only 12 months.View attachment 168431 I

I wish you would give some proof of this. I have believed in 1260 days for as long as I knew it was scripture. You will have to have real proof written in scripture rightly divided for me to change my mind.
Why won't a calendar allow it? Daniel and John used a DIFFERENT calendar! Their calendar had 360 days of 30 day months. This won't "fit" our calendar. It WILL fit what will happen: from the ceasing of the daily sacrifices to the 7th vial that ends the week will be exactly 1260 days. You can take that to the bank, so to speak.

Esther 9:1 was a leap year the 12th month was a leap year. It was Adar 2 but still considered the 12th month. You must understand a month could never continually have 1260 days. It would get out of sync with the solar calendar. It's not possible for a month to continually have 1260 days. The feasts would never line up with the new moons and such. There has always been a leap year. You're just thrown off by the 1260 days. It's not your fault.

 

[Fusion77]

I wish you would give some proof of this. I have believed in 1260 days for as long as I knew it was scripture. You will have to have real proof written in scripture rightly divided for me to change my mind.
Why won't a calendar allow it? Daniel and John used a DIFFERENT calendar! Their calendar had 360 days of 30 day months. This won't "fit" our calendar. It WILL fit what will happen: from the ceasing of the daily sacrifices to the 7th vial that ends the week will be exactly 1260 days. You can take that to the bank, so to speak.

Don't you understand, if a year continually had 360 days, in 5 years you'd be a month off. In 30 years winter would be summer and visa versa. When something is written in a prophecy, it's looks to the future.

 

[Fusion77]

I wish you would give some proof of this. I have believed in 1260 days for as long as I knew it was scripture. You will have to have real proof written in scripture rightly divided for me to change my mind.
Why won't a calendar allow it? Daniel and John used a DIFFERENT calendar! Their calendar had 360 days of 30 day months. This won't "fit" our calendar. It WILL fit what will happen: from the ceasing of the daily sacrifices to the 7th vial that ends the week will be exactly 1260 days. You can take that to the bank, so to speak.

At Some point they had to adjust the calendar to make it line up with time the earth to rotate around the sun 365 1/4 days. Anyways when the prophets wrote, speaking of future events, do you think they referred to a pre-flood calendar? No, prophets speak into the future as God sees the future as the present. He isn't bound by time.

 

[Hoghead1]

You can go to AIG if you want, Matthew Twentyfour. However, I had a lot of experience with them and I know they are not at all a reliable source of information, believe me.

 

[Hoghead1]

I don't agree, Bible2, that original sin is implied in the Genesis story. If anything Adam and Eve sinned upward, toward gaining more knowledge. Once you leave your protected little world (the Garden of Eden) and enter the real world, no one is innocent.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Don't you understand, if a year continually had 360 days, in 5 years you'd be a month off. In 30 years winter would be summer and visa versa. When something is written in a prophecy, it's looks to the future.

I don't understand either or any of the last few pages of this thread. Everybody sure is operating with a different schematic.

It doesn't really alter the sequence of events. It just tells me that in order to fit more than 1290 days in a 3.5 year period it (abomination of desolation) will happenjust before a leap year. Because Daniel 12:11 tells us it's 1290 days, and all the others seem to be a little longer (the 3.5 years, 42 months).

I remember you said this before. Why do you think that the 1290 days has to take place within the 3.5 years? wouldn't it be more logical for the 3.5 years to transpire within the 1290 days and then the 1290 days taking place within the 1335 days.

Are you trying to force these time periods into a 7 year tribulation?

 

[Douggg]

Do you understand a 7 year period would be either 2538 days of 2568 days, according to the Hebrew calendar. Or within 2 days of that. 2520 days doesn't add up. A 7 year period would ALWAYS be more that that 2520, whether it's about 20 or about 50, it will always be more. Is the week exactly a 7 year period? Yes it is!

But no-one knows how much more than 2520 days, and when. Suppose that the 7 years begin on the 8 day of Adar II, then that shifts everything differently if it begins on 23 day of Nissan. There are so many different possibilities that a timeline cannot be constructed integrating all of the different possibilities of leap years.

The timeline in the prophecies for understanding are not intended to integrate the leap years. The prophecies are given in days and a week of years. The week of years is 2520 days.

And leaps years when the prophecies begin to actually takes place, does not change the sequence. only some of the spacing that instead of 75 days that the two witnesses battle the beast to something less. And the time that the kings of the earth are given to assemble their armies at Armageddon instead of 75 days to maybe two weeks . I have considered all this many, many years ago. You are not telling me anything new.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Paul wrote that we will be cauht up in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air UNTO the Coming of the Lord.
You imagine and dream of a trip to Heaven which is not even mentioned in Paul's letters.

Hebrews 11

These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.
For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland.
If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return.
But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one.
Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.​

"If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.…

 

[Douggg]

You must prove this theory by scripture. Lay it out for us WHY this must be truth. Frankly I have never seen it.

I have laid it out a multitude of times.

How hard is it to subtract 1335 days from the end of the 7 years, day 2520 ? To know what day on a 2520 day timeline of when the AOD will be setup ?

2520-1335 = 1185

 

[Fusion77]

But no-one knows how much more than 2520 days, and when. Suppose that the 7 years begin on the 8 day of Adar II, then that shifts everything differently if it begins on 23 day of Nissan. There are so many different possibilities that a timeline cannot be constructed integrating all of the different possibilities of leap years.

The timeline in the prophecies for understanding are not intended to integrate the leap years. The prophecies are given in days and a week of years. The week of years is 2520 days.

And leaps years when the prophecies begin to actually takes place, does not change the sequence. only some of the spacing that instead of 75 days that the two witnesses battle the beast to something less. And the time that the kings of the earth are given to assemble their armies at Armageddon instead of 75 days to maybe two weeks . I have considered all this many, many years ago. You are not telling me anything new.

If the week starts in the 15th of Nisan 2018 it will end on the 15th of Nisan 2025. And yes the prophets speak in the future and it's applicable to the current Hebrew Calendar. It's really Quite simple start 15 Nisan 2018 end 15 th of Nisan 2025. That's a week of years it's quite simple. We're not using a pre flood calendar. You're thrown off by the 1260 days.

 

[Fusion77]

I have laid it out a multitude of times.

How hard is it to subtract 1335 days from the end of the 7 years, day 2520 ? To know what day on a 2520 day timeline of when the AOD will be setup ?

2520-1335 = 1185

But no-one knows how much more than 2520 days, and when. Suppose that the 7 years begin on the 8 day of Adar II, then that shifts everything differently if it begins on 23 day of Nissan. There are so many different possibilities that a timeline cannot be constructed integrating all of the different possibilities of leap years.

The timeline in the prophecies for understanding are not intended to integrate the leap years. The prophecies are given in days and a week of years. The week of years is 2520 days.

And leaps years when the prophecies begin to actually takes place, does not change the sequence. only some of the spacing that instead of 75 days that the two witnesses battle the beast to something less. And the time that the kings of the earth are given to assemble their armies at Armageddon instead of 75 days to maybe two weeks . I have considered all this many, many years ago. You are not telling me anything new.

If it began on Adar 2 8th day then it would definitely be more tan 1238 days more like 1250 days. Because it would end on the 8th day of Adar 1.
It is applicable to our current calendar. God not constrained by time. He see tomorrow as though it's today. He is not giving us a pre flood timeline.

 

[Fusion77]

I have laid it out a multitude of times.

How hard is it to subtract 1335 days from the end of the 7 years, day 2520 ? To know what day on a 2520 day timeline of when the AOD will be setup ?

2520-1335 = 1185

So tell me, what happens in the 45 days after the 1290 days. Where do find that in scripture besides Daniel 12:11-12 which says blessed is he who remains.

I think you're jumping to far ahead and need to deal with the last week. The 45 days are not included in the week.

 

[Fusion77]

I don't understand either or any of the last few pages of this thread. Everybody sure is operating with a different schematic.



I remember you said this before. Why do you think that the 1290 days has to take place within the 3.5 years? wouldn't it be more logical for the 3.5 years to transpire within the 1290 days and then the 1290 days taking place within the 1335 days.

Are you trying to force these time periods into a 7 year tribulation?

The final 3.5 years, 42 months time times and half time or 1/2 of the final week. It would never be 1260 days. Count how many days are in this Hebrew year. Or pick 3.5 years and try and get 1260 days it's impossible.

 

[Fusion77]

I don't understand either or any of the last few pages of this thread. Everybody sure is operating with a different schematic.



I remember you said this before. Why do you think that the 1290 days has to take place within the 3.5 years? wouldn't it be more logical for the 3.5 years to transpire within the 1290 days and then the 1290 days taking place within the 1335 days.

Are you trying to force these time periods into a 7 year tribulation?

Check out the Hebrew calendar on Cgsf.org click on Hebrew Roman calendar. You could never fit 1260 days in a 3.5 year period. It (the 1/2 of the week), would always be from 1268- 1300 days or somewhere in there. You have to account for the leap year.

 

[BABerean2]

Check out the Hebrew calendar on Cgsf.org click on Hebrew Roman calendar. You could never fit 1260 days in a 3.5 year period. It (the 1/2 of the week), would always be from 1268- 1300 days or somewhere in there. You have to account for the leap year.

If you want to really understand the ancient Jewish Calendar, get a copy of the book "The Atonement Clock" by Christian Gedge.

http://www.5loaves2fishes.net/atonement-clock-christian-gedge

 

[Dave Watchman]

The final 3.5 years, 42 months time times and half time or 1/2 of the final week. It would never be 1260 days. Count how many days are in this Hebrew year. Or pick 3.5 years and try and get 1260 days it's impossible.

I'm glad to see that you've charged your batteries.

I'm not a 7 year tribulation guy so the 3 prophetic time periods in Daniel 12 can be slid around or adjusted inside of the larger 1335 day period.

The AofD may already have been set up and is currently standing in the holy place. Or definitely where it ought not be.

And if that's the case the 1290 day countdown may have already began.

 

[Fusion77]

If you want to really understand the ancient Jewish Calendar, get a copy of the book "The Atonement Clock" by Christian Gedge.

http://www.5loaves2fishes.net/atonement-clock-christian-gedge

Actually it would really be applicable to the current Hebrew calendar which has been as such for thousands of years. Because the prophets speak in the future.

 

[Dave Watchman]

If you want to really understand the ancient Jewish Calendar, get a copy of the book "The Atonement Clock" by Christian Gedge.

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