Genesis Is the understanding the of Ancient Hebrews.It doesn't have to be scientific.

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3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days SCOFFERS, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world (Grk-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Grk-destroyed utterly) 7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Thanks for confirming what Peter told us 2k years ago. Just one question. What is the difference between the world that THEN WAS and the heavens and earth WHICH ARE NOW? Happy New Year and God Bless you.

I think it is fab when creationists start quoting scripture to slag off one another.

The theme is always the same - I am one of the wise ones, and you're not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God always repopulates the earth with a remnant of what was here before. Noah was back at the beginning of domestication. Corn for example: there is a big difference between wild corn and domesticated corn. The wild corn falls off and the wind scatters the seeds. The domesticated corn tends to stay on the ear so that man can transport the seed to a new location. This is how farming spread to Europe from the Middle East. The wind could not carry the seeds that far, man had to transport the seeds.

This post has nothing to do with my post. But since you mention repopulating the land it brings up this video that was just released today:

 

[AV1611VET]

But since you mention repopulating the land it brings up this video that was just released today:

Interesting video.

Not one mention that GOD DID IT.

Just so you know:

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Exodus 1:20 Therefore God dealt well with the midwives: and the people multiplied, and waxed very mighty.

He mentioned population growth and farming -- both handled nicely in this verse:

Deuteronomy 7:13 And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

 

[Aman777]

I think it is fab when creationists start quoting scripture to slag off one another.

The theme is always the same - I am one of the wise ones, and you're not.

I just like to understand where people who CLAIM to be Creationists are coming from. I have NEVER claimed to be one of the wise ones, but I do read and STUDY God's Holy Word and try to follow it's teachings. Scripture tells us to TRY the Spirits.

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Do YOU believe that Adam's world perished in the Flood, or is our Earth the ONLY Earth made, as the Scoffers of the last days falsely preach? ll Peter 3:3-7 Just want to get you on the record. No offense. Amen?

 

[dougangel]

This post has nothing to do with my post. But since you mention repopulating the land it brings up this video that was just released today:

He's just saying how and showing a model of how it should of been. But There's no evidence of the anomaly because it's never been recorded and because it's there at the start dealing with smaller populations it's very hard to prove either way.

 

[dougangel]

I just like to understand where people who CLAIM to be Creationists are coming from. I have NEVER claimed to be one of the wise ones, but I do read and STUDY God's Holy Word and try to follow it's teachings. Scripture tells us to TRY the Spirits.

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Do YOU believe that Adam's world perished in the Flood, or is our Earth the ONLY Earth made, as the Scoffers of the last days falsely preach? ll Peter 3:3-7 Just want to get you on the record. No offense. Amen?

God hid His Truth from ancient men AND the scholars who study their Theology. It's NOT your fault, since you believe what they mistakenly believed. My view is simple and shows the AGREEMENT of Scripture, Science, and History, instead of what some 3k year old man THOUGHT it said.

Well you claim your interpretation of the scriptures is the right one and anyone who doesn't agree with you is mistaken.
What you said in the top post is a complete opposite of what you said in the bottom post. So I find you a very dodgy person indeed (that is: not honest)
I sort of pulled out of this post because you have totally derailed this post. You did that to me in another post.
I think there's enough to discuss in creation. Noah and flood is just another topic where people are going to make claims that can't be proven and go round in circles.

 

[Aman777]

Well you claim your interpretation of the scriptures is the right one and anyone who doesn't agree with you is mistaken.
What you said in the top post is a complete opposite of what you said in the bottom post. So I find you a very dodgy person indeed (that is: not honest)
I sort of pulled out of this post because you have totally derailed this post. You did that to me in another post.
I think there's enough to discuss in creation. Noah and flood is just another topic where people are going to make claims that can't be proven and go round in circles.

Not really since I support what I post with the agreement of Scripture Science and History. A good example is the Scientific Fact that our Earth has NEVER suffered a Global Flood. This is true Scientifically Scripturally and Historically.

Scripturally speaking; Do you believe that Adam's world perished in the Flood, or is our Earth the ONLY Earth made, as the Scoffers of the last days falsely preach? ll Peter 3:3-7

Scientifically speaking: Our Earth is a rock which is covered in water which does not destroy it. It also has a molted core which can be burned but NOT destroyed in a Flood.

Historically speaking: The first Humans arrived on our Earth from Adam's Earth only 11k years ago and the oldest Human cities, some of which are still here are listed in Gen 10 and AGREE with this empirical Historic evidence. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Can YOU show me my error or is it easier to accuse me of not being honest? Amen?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Interesting video.

Not one mention that GOD DID IT.

Just so you know:

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Exodus 1:20 Therefore God dealt well with the midwives: and the people multiplied, and waxed very mighty.

He mentioned population growth and farming -- both handled nicely in this verse:

Deuteronomy 7:13 And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

So what? That still leaves you with the problem that even with a ridiculous birth rate that your timing gives no chance at all of the the pyramids being built over various other events that we knew happened. That is why most Christians know that you are wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He's just saying how and showing a model of how it should of been. But There's no evidence of the anomaly because it's never been recorded and because it's there at the start dealing with smaller populations it's very hard to prove either way.

Perhaps you did not understand the video. Creationists have foolishly used population arguments to support their beliefs. They were wrong. End of story.

 

[AV1611VET]

So what?

So God did it -- end of sentence.

That still leaves you with the problem that even with a ridiculous birth rate ...

"Ridiculous" or "miraculous"?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So God did it -- end of sentence.
"Ridiculous" or "miraculous"?

Definitely ridiculous. So many of your beliefs require the belief in a dishonest God. I don't see how you can do it. Your attempts to justify your beliefs appear to only fool you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Definitely ridiculous.

Then I think I can see where your problem lies.

Until you can respect the difference between "ridiculous" and "miraculous," you're not going to fully understand how God blessed Noah and his progeny after the Flood.

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

As I said, that video didn't mention God's participation in getting the earth repopulated, and he ends up being wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then I think I can see where your problem lies.

Until you can respect the difference between "ridiculous" and "miraculous," you're not going to fully understand how God blessed Noah and his progeny after the Flood.

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

As I said, that video didn't mention God's participation in getting the earth repopulated, and he ends up being wrong.

I can see the difference. The "ridiculous" applied to the fact that to believe the flood story one has to also believe in a dishonest God. We can show that even using your "Boolean logic". Why would anyone believe in a God that cannot be trusted? I never did when I was a Christian, yet we have creationist after creationist claiming that their version of God cannot be trusted.

 

[AV1611VET]

I can see the difference.

Sorry, I don't agree.

The "ridiculous" applied to the fact that to believe the flood story one has to also believe in a dishonest God.

That's funny.

Why don't I have to?

We can show that even using your "Boolean logic". Why would anyone believe in a God that cannot be trusted? I never did when I was a Christian, yet we have creationist after creationist claiming that their version of God cannot be trusted.

What logic led to your deconversion?

I suspect you don't believe in anyone's logic (including God's), but your own.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, I don't agree.

Yes, but that is because you are wrong and you know that.

That's funny.

Why don't I have to?What logic led to your deconversion?

You can't even ask your own question properly. Clearly you should have said "Why do I have to?" As you asked it if I let it be you agree with me. So I will leave it that way until you correct your error. And studying the many flaws of the Bible is what led me to my deconversion. I may have used your Boolean Algebra even. If you study the Bible it contradicts itself by those rules too many times.

I suspect you don't believe in anyone's logic (including God's), but your own.

Logic is logic. If your logic contradicts itself, as yours does countless times, it is of no use except to prove that your own beliefs are wrong.

 

[Lateralgal]

Being a born again, mature, Spirit-filled Christian is to logic as wine to the stick they planted hoping to produce wine-grapes. The stick doesn't 'get' wine. It's just the building block. To get wine, the stick has to put down some roots, grow some leaves and submit to a good deal of pruning in order to produce good grapes. Then the grapes must be crushed and treated in order to become wine. The stick is part of the story, but it can't see the end result, so its logic just doesn't cope with the facts of wine making. The sticks might document the researches and experiences of many sticks, but making wine needs a wine-maker. The winemaker might write a book on wine making using his experience with many sticks both good and not so good, but definitely not limited to that. Also the book on winemaking may detail the writer's experience with various kinds of sticks. However there is much more to winemaking than the sticks. How then can the sticks point out the mistakes of the winemaker?

 

[JohnOfWoodGreen]

As a young Christian I was quite happy with the idea that Genesis doesn't have to be scientific. If proper science were to turn out to be other than what I have since then found it to be, I might have to be happy with that idea again. However, a couple of years after becoming a Christian I came to see that Genesis is more scientific than the imaginations of Darwin, Huxley, Dawkins, Maynard Smith, Hawking, etc., and everything since then that I have learned about science confirms me in this belief. Maybe Genesis doesn't HAVE to be scientific; but the fact is, IT IS!

 

[Hoghead1]

Where is your evidence, JohnofWoodGree, that Genesis is scientific? Also, you are overlooking the fact that we have two contradictory creation accounts here.