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[juvenissun]

I fail to see how this is relevant to the statement: "claims that aren't testable are completely worthless and meaningless. Without any kind of verifiability, it can't be verified."

Choosing something over another thing for lunch has nothing to do with making claims and believing or disbelieving said claims.
Perhaps you can clarify what you meant...

You choose a hamburger for lunch.
Has it been tested and verified that a hamburger is better than other items on the menu?
Is your choice worthwhile?
If yes, then your statement is wrong.

 

[juvenissun]

When I answer "no" to the question "do you believe X is true", then I am ONLY expressing the fact that I am not convinced that X is true.
It doesn't say anything about my stance on "X is false" or "the opposite of X".

It does. You don't have to say it. It is a logical consequence.

Otherwise, you are saying:
X is true, AND X is false.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You choose a hamburger for lunch.
Has it been tested and verified that a hamburger is better than other items on the menu?
Is your choice worthwhile?
If yes, then your statement is wrong.

Again, choosing a burger for lunch is not a claim...
It just means that I fancy a burger for lunch.

You seem desperate.

 

[DogmaHunter]

It does. You don't have to say it. It is a logical consequence.

It's not.

Again, I will refer you back to my simplistic example of a coin toss.

Not accepting the claim "it IS heads" as a true-ism, does NOT mean that you accept "it IS tails" as a true-ism.

I'm sorry that you can't understand that. Is this perhaps because you have emotional problems with the words "i don't know, i need more intel"?

Otherwise, you are saying:
X is true, AND X is false.

No. You are merely saying "I am not convinced about the truth of your claim".
Which doesn't in any way, shape or form mean that you are convinced of another claim.

 

[Dave-W]

Not accepting the claim "it IS heads" as a true-ism, does NOT mean that you accept "it IS tails" as a true-ism.

I have had a couple of coin tosses over the years where it ended up on edge.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I have had a couple of coin tosses over the years where it ended up on edge.

Great. Not that it matters to the point being made, but .... great.

 

[quatona]

I have had a couple of coin tosses over the years where it ended up on edge.

I´ve had quite some tosses where the coin disappeared completely.

 

[sunsurfkdt]

Christians should never quit witnessing based on what these ppl say. That is our calling. And Jesus speaking thru us has more impact on them then they realize.

 

[juvenissun]

Again, choosing a burger for lunch is not a claim...
It just means that I fancy a burger for lunch.

You seem desperate.

It is a claim to yourself.

 

[juvenissun]

Again, I will refer you back to my simplistic example of a coin toss.

Not accepting the claim "it IS heads" as a true-ism, does NOT mean that you accept "it IS tails" as a true-ism.

It is head -- if No.

Automatically: It is tail.

 

[Jennybee]

I was a very strong believer in God. Then that changed when I started reading more and investigating more and studying more and taking courses on religion and anthropology and opening up my world view beyond the Bible. I'm not here to dissuade anyone from believing, but you may be surprised what you find if you are willing to look behind the curtain.

I really don't think there is anything that anyone could say that would change my viewpoint about God and my not believing at this point and I used to be a pretty hardcore Christian. Obviously, if God himself floated down on a cloud and said "Hi Jenny," well, then I would believe

 

[DogmaHunter]

It is a claim to yourself.

No, it is not.

Choosing to eat a burger is an expression of a personal preference of the moment.
It is not a claim that a burger is "objectively better" then anything other on the menu.

I find it incredible that I need to explain this.

Again, you seem desperate.

 

[DogmaHunter]

It is head -- if No.
Automatically: It is tail.

No.

Rather:

Person A makes truth claim.
Person B doesn't accept truth claim as a true-ism because of not being convinced that it is true for whatever reason.

That reason could be that B believes something else instead that is not compatible with the claim of A.

Or, B just considers the claim of A to not have enough supportive evidence in order to accept it as true. This does not mean that B MUST believe something else.

I'm starting to understand why you fail to understand such simple concepts at times.

 

[com7fy8]

I was a very strong believer in God. Then that changed when I started reading more and investigating more and studying more and taking courses on religion and anthropology and opening up my world view beyond the Bible. I'm not here to dissuade anyone from believing, but you may be surprised what you find if you are willing to look behind the curtain.

Hi, Jenny bee It looks like you believed in God as an idea, not the One who is personal with His children. You were not expecting Him, maybe, to personally communicate and share with you - - - and correct you . . . like the Bible says He does > Hebrews 12:4-11 . . . 1 Corinthians 6:17 . . . Romans 5:5 < by the way, did your investigation include knowing these scriptures??

I really don't think there is anything that anyone could say that would change my viewpoint about God and my not believing at this point and I used to be a pretty hardcore Christian. Obviously, if God himself floated down on a cloud and said "Hi Jenny," well, then I would believe

I personally find that what people tell me can not have me realize who and how God really is. I need to personally experience Him. And I now believe and trust that the Bible means that we need to personally connect with and share with God in His own love all-loving, in order to know Him and truly believe. I offered a few scriptures, above, to show this.

 

[Chriliman]

I was a very strong believer in God. Then that changed when I started reading more and investigating more and studying more and taking courses on religion and anthropology and opening up my world view beyond the Bible. I'm not here to dissuade anyone from believing, but you may be surprised what you find if you are willing to look behind the curtain.

I really don't think there is anything that anyone could say that would change my viewpoint about God and my not believing at this point and I used to be a pretty hardcore Christian. Obviously, if God himself floated down on a cloud and said "Hi Jenny," well, then I would believe

Thanks for the response. Jesus is prophesied to return on the clouds this is when all people on earth at the time will mourn.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Thanks for the response. Jesus is prophesied to return on the clouds this is when all people on earth at the time will mourn.

Any day now?

 

[Jennybee]

Thanks for the response. Jesus is prophesied to return on the clouds this is when all people on earth at the time will mourn.

Hi, Jenny bee It looks like you believed in God as an idea, not the One who is personal with His children. You were not expecting Him, maybe, to personally communicate and share with you - - - and correct you . . . like the Bible says He does > Hebrews 12:4-11 . . . 1 Corinthians 6:17 . . . Romans 5:5 < by the way, did your investigation include knowing these scriptures??

I personally find that what people tell me can not have me realize who and how God really is. I need to personally experience Him. And I now believe and trust that the Bible means that we need to personally connect with and share with God in His own love all-loving, in order to know Him and truly believe. I offered a few scriptures, above, to show this.

 

[Chriliman]

What kind of evidence would show that something does not exist?

I'm not sure you understand what evidence is and how it works.

Exactly my point. We all should accept soundly reasoned explanations as evidence of truth. Todd not Todd said he only accepts soundly reasoned evidence as evidence of truth. This is a redundant statement that he made in order to disagree with me.

 

[Jennybee]

No, I believed in God as more than idea. I believed in Him with all of my heart and lived a Christian life. I experienced feelings that I thought were of God, but in reality, I know that was a psychological misinterpretation.

It is fine to believe on faith alone as that is what the Bible teaches. But just make sure you are fully understanding just what it is you are believing and being asked to believe.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

No. Nothing goes that way.
Everything changes gradually, even changes back and forth many many times.
For example, you may encounter 3 positive evidences and 7 negative evidences. What would you decide?

If by "positive evidences" you mean "good, credible evidence", I've never seen one example.