Man and dinosaur coexisting

[Goonie]

Goonie said: ↑
AV, Is not only King James only, but appears to believe pre flood, humanity spoke Jacobean English

I hope Im not misrepresenting you AV

Someone believes "believe pre flood, humanity spoke Jacobean English"?

I realize this is not the thread to discuss this, but REALLY?
I must be reading this incorrectly.

Time for someone to start a thread on it (if only for the lols)

 

[AV1611VET]

Lions and tigers mate in zoos if kept in close quarters.

With respect to their kind ... or in spite of their kind?

 

[PsychoSarah]

With respect to their kind ... or in spite of their kind?

I wouldn't know, kinds is too vague of a categorization. I am sure people like Ken Ham would say "with respect to their kind", lumping all big cats together, but personally, I would say "in spite of their kind", due to recognizing how unhealthy those hybrids are, and that in nature lions and tigers are never in close proximity to each other.

 

[AV1611VET]

but personally, I would say "in spite of their kind",

 

[Dr GS Hurd]

A kind is a person, plant or animal whose DNA can create viable offspring in its own image & likeness.

Yup -- you can't get more "very ambiguous" than this:Can you?

So in your argument "kind" is the same as species.

 

[AV1611VET]

So in your argument "kind" is the same as species.

I used to argue that.

Then I changed it to genus.

But I like the Bible's definition the best.

 

[JacksBratt]

By being raised to believe that the impossible is not only possible but when a God is involved it's beyond question.
Children will believe anything their parents tell them in fact they hang on their every word, telling children to believe things when they have absolutely no evidence to back up what they are being told is cruelty, every religion on earth is guilty of doing this.

So, we should not fill their heads with the religion of "evolution" either.

And, how has my life been ruined by my belief in God?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I used to argue that.

Then I changed it to genus.

But I like the Bible's definition the best.

Since the Bible has no definition and it is a worthless term as used there I can see why you like it so much.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, we should not fill their heads with the religion of "evolution" either.

And, how has my life been ruined by my belief in God?

By trying to insult the concept of evolution by calling it a religion you only degrade all religions by doing so. But since evolution is not a religion you do not harm it at all. In other words your argument only harms your own beliefs. Perhaps you might want to take another tack when you go after the theory of evolution.

 

[JacksBratt]

In other words, you believe GodDidIt and nothing can change your mind. So why are you even discussing the subject? Why not just say "I don't believe in evolution because I take a literal reading of Genesis and therefore I will disregard anything and everything science has to say on the subject"?

So, in other words you would rather I believe it all happened on it's own, spontaneously, magically, from nothing, with no explanation as to how? And nothing could change my mind then?
The science of evolution is cracking at it's foundation. It was a good story, but only a story and it has no Chapter one. You know? The one that starts "once upon a time" and tells how everything started. Yea, that one. Evolution kinda picks up after everything is hear and usurps it's way to being the "truth" somehow.

Naw, I'll stick to the Biblical account that has it all layed out and is backed up by almost every culture on the earth having similar stories as to the origins of the earth, a huge flood, an all powerful creator etc, etc, etc. Not to mention scripture that predicted many things that came true and many more that are unfolding today.

Soon science and the media will toss all that out and join the hive mind of the "alien's" seeding the earth and coming back to get us. Don't laugh, snicker or giggle, just check what's trending in movies and the internet and the media.

 

[JacksBratt]

I am admitting noting. What I am doing is trying to explain to you facts known by everyone who knows anything about fossilization. It is a very rare process for terrestrial beings and even rarer in particular environments. Jungles, for example, are particularly unsuited to fossilization because of the paucity of sediment and acidic soils.

But,,,,, it's only the people that "know" anything about fossilization that know these facts? And then it's "everyone"?
What about this guy?
He was avid believer in the historicity of the Bible...I bet he is not the only one too. So....not everyone.

Remember.... truth is not a democracy.

Dr. Clifford Wilson has a considerable background in archaeology. He has a Bachelor of Arts and a Master of Arts from Sydney University, a Bachelor of Divinity (which was post-graduate, including Hebrew and Greek) from the Melbourne College of Divinity, and a Master of Religious Education from Luther Rice Seminary. His Ph.D. is from the University of South Carolina, and included ‘A’s for field work in archaeology undertaken In association with Hebrew Union College in Jerusalem.

 

[JacksBratt]

Lions and tigers mate in zoos if kept in close quarters. While some hybrids are on purpose (which I consider animal abuse for those, their hybrids are not particularly healthy), I don't think the first few were.

You are correct. They do mate. One possible offspring is the Liger and has the ability to grow very huge as the gene that turns off the limit in size is turned off. The other offspring does not have this trait. I forget which one comes from the mother being the lion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are correct. They do mate. One possible offspring is the Liger and has the ability to grow very huge as the gene that turns off the limit in size is turned off. The other offspring does not have this trait. I forget which one comes from the mother being the lion.

It is still a bit of a sexist world and males come first. The Liger has a lion as a father, a Tion has a tiger as a father. A crocoduck, if it existed, would have a crocodile father and a duck mother.

Also the offspring of Tigers and Lions have greatly reduced fertility and I do believe that the next generation is sterile or extremely close to it.

 

[JacksBratt]

That is simply incorrect, we demonstrate it with bacteria all the time. And before you state "but they stay bacteria", no duh, for them to transition out of a Kingdom class would take as much as a billion years even if we could produce the proper conditions to ensure it would happen. However, their genetic variation and change over time in lab can be observed to exceed the genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees, and even beyond that. It is proof of concept; the bacteria do not have to become non-bacteria, they just have to demonstrate the capacity for genetic change.

But their still bacteria. From what I understand our genetics is 90% similar to a cat, 80% to a cow and 50% to a banana. As a result "genetic variation" means little.

 

[JacksBratt]

By trying to insult the concept of evolution by calling it a religion you only degrade all religions by doing so. But since evolution is not a religion you do not harm it at all. In other words your argument only harms your own beliefs. Perhaps you might want to take another tack when you go after the theory of evolution.

By definition evolution is a religion.
re•li•gion
(rɪˈlɪdʒ ən)

n.
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe,
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:

 

[Subduction Zone]

But their still bacteria. From what I understand our genetics is 90% similar to a cat, 80% to a cow and 50% to a banana. As a result "genetic variation" means little.

Oh... bad move JacksBratt. Bacteria are a huge biological group. You might as well look at both a banana and a human and say "but they are still both eukaryotes". That is how big the bacterial group is. And it seems that you do not understand clades either. Once you are in a clade all of your offspring will be in the same clade. So all of your offspring will be people since you are a person. But then all of your offspring will be apes because your ancestor was an ape. But a dog can never have a cat because they are in separate clades.

 

[JacksBratt]

It is still a bit of a sexist world and males come first. The Liger has a lion as a father, a Tion has a tiger as a father. A crocoduck, if it existed, would have a crocodile father and a duck mother.

Also the offspring of Tigers and Lions have greatly reduced fertility and I do believe that the next generation is sterile or extremely close to it.

Thanks for that input. So, the next generation is sterile. This is the sort of thing we see as a genetic wall that would make evolution impossible. This is seen when trying to produce hybrid species in an attempt to make animals that would be superior alternatives to existing animals...... They can only go so far and then they hit the wall.

 

[JacksBratt]

Oh... bad move JacksBratt. Bacteria are a huge biological group. You might as well look at both a banana and a human and say "but they are still both eukaryotes". That is how big the bacterial group is. And it seems that you do not understand clades either. Once you are in a clade all of your offspring will be in the same clade. So all of your offspring will be people since you are a person. But then all of your offspring will be apes because your ancestor was an ape. But a dog can never have a cat because they are in separate clades.

Humans are a huge biological group. We have any number of races...... all ..... human.

 

[Subduction Zone]

By definition evolution is a religion.
re•li•gion
(rɪˈlɪdʒ ən)

n.
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe,
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:

Where did you get that definition? Merriam Webster disagrees with you:

"
Full Definition of religion

1. 1a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
   
   
2. 2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
   
   
3. 3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
   
   
4. 4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
   "

But let's see. The theory of evolution says nothing about the purpose of the universe, or the cause of the universe, or even the nature of the universe. It only deals with the evolution of life on the Earth. So your number one fails.

It is not really a "set of beliefs" since it is much more than that, it is knowledge based upon scientific evidence.

And the theory of evolution is definitely not a bod of persons. It looks like even your definition fails in calling evolution a religion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Humans are a huge biological group. We have any number of races...... all ..... human.

No, genetically we are an extremely small group, at least when you compare us to bacteria. They are a bigger group than all animal life including humans of course.