Theistic Evolution

[Doveaman]

Theistic evolution is not scientific, it is theistic.

 

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A red truck is not a vehicle. It is red.

 

[elopez]

Creationism isn't scientific, either. That too would be theistic...

 

[BrriKerr]

Theistic evolution is not scientific, it is theistic.

We can call it what we like but what ever we call Evolution it still remains a fact.

Creationism is a belief, a faith based on one book called Genesis which is one of many books that were the translated words of many other books the authors of which are unknown, the books were combined into one by a committee of men who chose only the books they wanted to choose while rejecting many others.

 

[AV1611VET]

the books were combined into one by a committee of men who chose only the books they wanted to choose while rejecting many others.

If you were put in a room with:

1. one dollar bills
2. two dollar bills
3. three dollar bills
4. four dollar bills
5. five dollar bills
6. six dollar bills
7. seven dollar bills
8. eight dollar bills
9. nine dollar bills
10. ten dollar bills

... could you separate the legal tender from the non-legal tender?

Their job wasn't to authorize a list of books.

Their job was to create a list of authorized books.

To separate the wheat from the chaff, so so speak.

 

[Doveaman]

A red truck is not a vehicle. It is red.

A red truck is a red vehicle.

A toy truck is not a vehicle, it's a toy.

 

[Doveaman]

Creationism isn't scientific, either. That too would be theistic...

I agree.

 

[Doveaman]

We can call it what we like but what ever we call Evolution it still remains a fact.

A fact can be observed.

Where can I observe a man evolving from an ape?

Creationism is a belief, a faith based on one book called Genesis which is one of many books that were the translated words of many other books the authors of which are unknown, the books were combined into one by a committee of men who chose only the books they wanted to choose while rejecting many others.

If that fairy-tale of conclusion works for you, great!

 

[elopez]

I agree.

Glad you agree creationism isn't scientific. TE maintains that there is no conflict between scientific evidence and the belief of God. So while TE is theistic, it adopts scientific understanding.

 

[Loudmouth]

Theistic evolution is not scientific, it is theistic.

The theory of evolution is scientific. The religious beliefs that theists attach to the scientific theory are not part of the theory itself. The theistic part is something that is added to the science.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

A fact can be observed.

Where can I observe a man evolving from an ape?

You can't because we don't "come from" apes and evolution takes place in populations, not individuals.
You can look at the overwhelming evidence in molecular genetics that demonstrates that we share a common ancestor.

 

[Loudmouth]

A fact can be observed.

Where can I observe a man evolving from an ape?

Humans evolving from an ancestor shared with chimps is the hypothesis. You don't observe the hypothesis. That isn't how science works. The repeatable observations that we do use to test the hypothesis include DNA sequences and fossils.

 

[justlookinla]

Theistic evolution is not scientific, it is theistic.

Neither is the 'how' of Darwinist evolution scientific. Both are faith-based views.

 

[juvenissun]

Glad you agree creationism isn't scientific. TE maintains that there is no conflict between scientific evidence and the belief of God. So while TE is theistic, it adopts scientific understanding.

I don't see how is it possible. Unless one tossed out the Genesis 1. (No big deal. It does not affect your salvation. Right?)
Honestly, do you think God creates Adam and Eve?
Honestly, I think your answer MUST BE no.

 

[Loudmouth]

I don't see how is it possible. Unless one tossed out the Genesis 1. (No big deal. It does not affect your salvation. Right?)
Honestly, do you think God creates Adam and Eve?
Honestly, I think your answer MUST BE no.

The best way to have the Bible invalidated is to require a literal interpretation of Genesis. You might as well try to bring back a flat Earth and Geocentrism.

 

[lesliedellow]

Neither is the 'how' of Darwinist evolution scientific. Both are faith-based views.

Can't you find a new song to sing? This one is getting a bit same-ey.

 

[Doveaman]

Theistic Evolution postulates that God is the cause of homo sapiens' evolution from apes.

Cause and effect are an integral part of the scientific method.

You cannot postulate the effects/evolution while conveniently ignoring the cause/God.

You have to establish the link between evolution and God in order for Theistic Evolution to be scientific.

 

[elopez]

I don't see how is it possible.

YOU not being able to see how it is possible doesn't mean it isn't possible. Many Christians are TE.

Unless one tossed out the Genesis 1. (No big deal. It does not affect your salvation. Right?)

Genesis is not disregarded. Genesis is obviously relevant to TE as we still think God is creator. Genesis does not have to be read literally (which really is for another thread), and has no always been treated as literal. Augustine for example took a symbolic interpretation. Now, regarding one's salvation is an entirely different subject, one I don't think is tenable if you take the position of saying no literal sense means no salvation, but again that is nor here or there.

Honestly, do you think God creates Adam and Eve?
Honestly, I think your answer MUST BE no.

Well honestly you are wrong. "Create" doesn't mean special creation, though. In fact, "creation" doesn't even have to mean that at all.

 

[freezerman2000]

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[lesliedellow]

Theistic Evolution postulates that God is the cause of homo sapiens' evolution from apes.

Cause and effect are an integral part of the scientific method.

You cannot postulate the effects/evolution while conveniently ignoring the cause/God.

You have to establish the link between evolution and God in order for Theistic Evolution to be scientific.

I'm afraid that is gibberish. At the risk of repeating myself, theistic evolution is a philosophical interpretation of a scientific theory.