I have a question directed towards Muslims

[fatboys]

My question is how do you know there is a God? How do you know the Koran is the word of God? I have asked mainstream Christians this same question about their belief but none has Ben able to give me an answer.

 

[Limo]

One of the basic needs for a human being is "worshiping a god"
even the atheist has a god which is the "unknown" which means he is searching for a god. He doesn't have a definite answer.
The isolated tribes on isolated islands in an ocean or in the jungle have something they call it god.
the conclusion is that all human beings believe that there is something in the unseen can be called a god who is behind every thing we see or don't see.
The question is always Who is our god? how he looks like? what can he do? what shall we do ?
But this is not enough to proof that there is god.
I can proof there is a god from his materialized acts.
one of the greatest acts and which is a proof that there is s god is the Quran.
So Quran is one of the proofs that there is a god and in the same time it has self proof that it's words of god

Prophet Mohamed was unlettered and never get educated by any Jew or a Christean
The Quran is the only book that it's challenging all people in all eras to find any kind of errors or contradiction in language, history, sinsce, space, future, geography, prophecies

this book Quran can't be said by any one, It's said by the creator himself who knows everything, he knows what will happen next, the absolute power. It can't be said by a human

Who from human and Jinn can write in his book "
Say, "If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants." Quran 17:88

Which book is kept in writings and memory of millions of people
since more than 14 centuries without single letter change

Nobody except for the true god

 

[fatboys]

One of the basic needs for a human being is "worshiping a god"
even the atheist has a god which is the "unknown" which means he is searching for a god. He doesn't have a definite answer.
The isolated tribes on isolated islands in an ocean or in the jungle have something they call it god.
the conclusion is that all human beings believe that there is something in the unseen can be called a god who is behind every thing we see or don't see.
The question is always Who is our god? how he looks like? what can he do? what shall we do ?
But this is not enough to proof that there is god.
I can proof there is a god from his materialized acts.
one of the greatest acts and which is a proof that there is s god is the Quran.
So Quran is one of the proofs that there is a god and in the same time it has self proof that it's words of god

Prophet Mohamed was unlettered and never get educated by any Jew or a Christean
The Quran is the only book that it's challenging all people in all eras to find any kind of errors or contradiction in language, history, sinsce, space, future, geography, prophecies

this book Quran can't be said by any one, It's said by the creator himself who knows everything, he knows what will happen next, the absolute power. It can't be said by a human

Who from human and Jinn can write in his book "
Say, "If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants." Quran 17:88

Which book is kept in writings and memory of millions of people
since more than 14 centuries without single letter change

Nobody except for the true god

So what your saying is that because you believe that God wrote this through a man that it is from God because of the information given could have only come from God

 

[drstevej]

FYI: SOP

Debates are only between Christian members and the members of the specific non-Christian religion being challenged.

 

[fatboys]

FYI: SOP

Debates are only between Christian members and the members of the specific non-Christian religion being challenged.

This is such a joke

 

[Sojourner1]

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[drstevej]

My question is how do you know there is a God? How do you know the Koran is the word of God? I have asked mainstream Christians this same question about their belief but none has Ben able to give me an answer.

The creation affirms a Creator (See Romans 1).
I do not believe the Koran is the Word of God, nor do I believe the BOM is the Word of God.

There's your answer from a Christian. Hopefully the Muslim members will help you understand their convictions.

 

[gord44]

The creation affirms a Creator (See Romans 1).
I do not believe the Koran is the Word of God, nor do I believe the BOM is the Word of God.

There's your answer from a Christian. Hopefully the Muslim members will help you understand their convictions.

I think you still missed where fatboys says a Christian can't tell him how they know the Bible is the Word of God. You answered the first part just fine though with 'creation'.

 

[drstevej]

I think you still missed where fatboys says a Christian can't tell him how they know the Bible is the Word of God. You answered the first part just fine though with 'creation'.

Here are my lecture notes that gives my reply.

 

[Limo]

So what your saying is that because you believe that God wrote this through a man that it is from God because of the information given could have only come from God

Exactly.

 

[Percivale]

Mormonism and Islam have a lot in common as far as origin--both based on Christianity and started by one man who claimed to have been given a revelation by an angel.
I think there are contradictions in the Quran, especially about whether there should be compulsion in religion. Here's a few. https://carm.org/contradictions-quran

 

[Arthra]

Personally I think the Qur'an as a series of revelations received through Muhammad has merit... according to most sources Muhammad was not literate... He was not schooled in theology. There were secretaries who later recorded the revelations of the Qur'an and it was regularly recited. The revelations received were over about a twenty year period and concerned various situations and contexts.

I note that the C.A.R.M material ignores context and emphasizes supposed contradictions... Could the same approach be applied to the Bible...?

My view is that we need more independent study of the Qur'an rather than biased apologists.

 

[Limo]

Mormonism and Islam have a lot in common as far as origin--both based on Christianity and started by one man who claimed to have been given a revelation by an angel.
I think there are contradictions in the Quran, especially about whether there should be compulsion in religion. Here's a few. https://carm.org/contradictions-quran

Islam is a continuities of all previous prophets messages
It's not am odd message. It has many agreements with previous messages especially Moses and Jesus.
So it's not based on what is called Christianity, simply Allah told us the truth about Jesus and God
My friend put aside all ready-made debate and discuss what you know and sure

 

[Truthseeker1971]

Islam is a continuities of all previous prophets messages
It's not am odd message. It has many agreements with previous messages especially Moses and Jesus.
So it's not based on what is called Christianity, simply Allah told us the truth about Jesus and God
My friend put aside all ready-made debate and discuss what you know and sure

But then tell me if this message came from God how can it make such a silly mistake, such as, just to name one out of many, calling the mother of Jesus the daughter of 'Imran

'Imran in Hebrew is AMRAM.....Muhammad confused this Mary with Miriam, sister of Moses, daughter of AMRAM

MARY's daddy was HELI (Luke 3:23- Luke is believed to be the geneology of Mary, traced through her husband. Matthew is Joseph's line).

 

[Limo]

But then tell me if this message came from God how can it make such a silly mistake, such as, just to name one out of many, calling the mother of Jesus the daughter of 'Imran

'Imran in Hebrew is AMRAM.....Muhammad confused this Mary with Miriam, sister of Moses, daughter of AMRAM

MARY's daddy was HELI (Luke 3:23- Luke is believed to be the geneology of Mary, traced through her husband. Matthew is Joseph's line).

If I approve you that It's not silly mistake, will you believe that the Quran is from God?

 

[Percivale]

Personally I think the Qur'an as a series of revelations received through Muhammad has merit... according to most sources Muhammad was not literate... He was not schooled in theology. There were secretaries who later recorded the revelations of the Qur'an and it was regularly recited. The revelations received were over about a twenty year period and concerned various situations and contexts.

I note that the C.A.R.M material ignores context and emphasizes supposed contradictions... Could the same approach be applied to the Bible...?

My view is that we need more independent study of the Qur'an rather than biased apologists.

I recognize that sometimes apparent contradictions actually have an explanation that harmonizes them. That's why I'm asking--I want to hear from someone who has studied the Quran so I can learn how good of a harmonization they can offer. If you know the Quran, could you explain how its message harmonizes regarding freedom of religion?

 

[Percivale]

If I approve you that It's not silly mistake, will you believe that the Quran is from God?

That would not be enough by itself, but it would be a step in the right direction, from your perspective. Perhaps you should go ahead and do so, then ask again.

 

[fatboys]

Sorry I forgot about this post and it is an important question. How do you know that God exist or that your faith is right and not another faith. What drives you to worship God and not be a person who sees God as a figment of a wanting person afraid of death and what many beleive to be a permanent goodbye

 

[ianb321red]

Having investigated this issue previously, I actually would argue that it is questionable whether Muhammad even existed as an historical figure.

And even if he did exist, he was meant to be illiterate.

For me, Islam is a total man-made invention and a false religion - although it does still have some truth in it which is enough to deceive people.
I think the Quran can be clearly shown to be drawing/ and prolifically plagiarising from numerous prevalent sources - Hindu myths, Jewish Midrash tales, Zorastrian writings and Gnostics gospels such as Barnabas (which is virtually universally considered to be fake).

The main "proof" however, is what the Quran says about Isa/ Jesus and the differences versus our bible. I do not see how any right-minded person, can consider the Quranic account of Isa/ Jesus as even remotely plausible when you consider who wrote the account, when it was written, where it was written and what evidence supports what was written. If you consider the biblical accounts along the same lines (who, when, where etc etc) you'd have to be very optimistic to think that the Islamic account is anything other than something lifted from one of the aforementioned Gnostic gospels.

 

[Zoness]

The main "proof" however, is what the Quran says about Isa/ Jesus and the differences versus our bible. I do not see how any right-minded person, can consider the Quranic account of Isa/ Jesus as even remotely plausible when you consider who wrote the account, when it was written, where it was written and what evidence supports what was written. If you consider the biblical accounts along the same lines (who, when, where etc etc) you'd have to be very optimistic to think that the Islamic account is anything other than something lifted from one of the aforementioned Gnostic gospels.

What if one's standard of judgement does not come from the Bible?