Don't click your tongue;
cluck it.
I assume that anyone who starts a sentence with "To be quite frank" is lying.
You say that you could care less. Don't you mean that you couldn't care less?
Why do you say "if you believe in God or not" rather than just "whether you believe in God?" Do you enjoy wordiness?
Anyway, I don't disbelieve in God. I'm agnostic.
Then you dont believe in God either - but as I said - that's between you and Him.
So were you just being wordy while avoiding the entire point of the post???
I assume anyone that attempts to avoid is lying as well and also deluding themselves, which is why they never actually get around to answering the point of the posts but just digress.
I'm just asking that before you throw around the word "they" that you specify who or what they is. Is that too much to ask?
If you don't ignore the observational evidence then you won't be part of "they" will you so should have nothing to worry about.
What kind of variations? I was given to believe that biological evolution merely stipulated that the frequency of alleles changes from generation to generation. If that's true, then variation is to be expected.
Certainly not mutational.
I think that before you can say that you need a clear, objective test to separate "Asian" from "African" that can be used by a blinded volunteer with 95 percent accuracy.
I'm pretty sure if you can't tell the difference just by looking then you would simply be deluding yourself - or refusing to see.
But then those blinded tests by volunteers are supposedly have already been done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation
Just as one needs an objective test for Asian vs. African, so one needs an objective test for Husky vs. Mastiff.
They've been done too, so what's your excuse for claiming they still need done?
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/94/1/81.full
In that sense, I agree with you. The definition of "species" is so nebulous that it has no real meaning–an argument I've made here repeatedly.
Oh there is nothing nebulous about it - just people that choose to ignore the definitions as already provided.
In English we say "different from" and some British people say "different to" but it's never "different than."
As I said: "But maybe you can find wrong verb usages here too and also ignore the point of the entire post."
Perhaps so, but remember that most of the classification was done by creationist Christians pre-Darwinism.
If you say so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy_(biology)
"With the advent of such fields of study as
phylogenetics,
cladistics, and
systematics, the Linnaean system has progressed to a system of modern biological classification based on the
evolutionary relationships between organisms, both living and extinct."
"These were pre-
evolutionary in thinking. The publication of
Charles Darwin's
Origin of Species (1859) led to new ways of thinking about classification based on evolutionary relationships. This was the concept of "
phyletic systems, from 1883 onwards. This approach was typified by those of
Eichler (1883) and
Engler (1886–1892). The advent of
molecular genetics and statistical methodology allowed the creation of the modern era of "phylogenetic systems" based on
cladistics, rather than
morphology alone."
So it really has nothing to do with what it started as.
Again, this goes back to having a clear, indisputable, and universally-agreed upon meaning of the word "species."
No, it just means to stop ignoring animals that are interbreeding and producing fertile offspring in front of your very eyes - and still insisting they are separate species because someone once classified them before they were known to interbreed. Then refusing to correct those mistakes once they observed it with their own eyes.
Can't tell, You sure are trying to discount the entire thing.
[/quote]Well, not necessarily. Some bacteria have evolved to eat nylon. Of course, they were not E. coli bacteria but
flavobacterium.[/quote]
And are still
flavobacterium, your point being? So no matter how many mutations they underwent they too remained
flavobacterium. Sounds like nothing but another diversion to avoid the point.
E coli, flavobacterium, whatever, never become anything but what they started as. You simply proved my point without realizing you were doing so in your attempt to avoid the point. I appreciate it, thanks.
I'm sure you realize that fruit flies have been defined into multiple species. As to whether this definition is justified and justifiable, that remains to be seen.
If you say so. Is that like classifying birds that interbreed before their eyes separate species too?
But actually they have only been classified as subgroups within the species.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila_melanogaster_species_group
Their way of avoiding their own classification system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species
"Presence of specific locally adapted traits may further subdivide species into "
infraspecific taxa" such as
subspecies (and in
botany other
taxa are used, such as
varieties, subvarieties, and
formae)."
This is an incorrect use of the phrase "instead of," which is used for substitution. The correct phrase is "rather than," which also has the benefit of maintaining the parallelism.
They label...
rather than label...
is superior to:
They label...
instead of labeling...
Can you see how the second choice destroys the parallelism? It's like saying "I like swimming and to dance." It's just not parallel.
I certainly found wrong usages, but I didn't ignore the point of the post.
If you say so. Yet that addresses nothing in the point of the post itself which was the wrong classification of infraspecific taxa within the species as separate species. So yes, it does ignore the point. Since you failed to address the actual point, but choose to concern yourself with word usage. Which might be valid if the subject of the post was word usage. Then that would have addressed the point of the post.
But let's try your suggestions.
"The problem is that in the fossil record they label everything slightly different as a separate "species",
rather than correctly labeling them as separate infraspecific taxa
within the "species.""
So now would you care to address the point? Or digress again?